RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone

From: Kevin Lange <kgel_at_ppoone.com>
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 14:02:34 -0700
Message-ID: <F001.0031CEFC.20010605135527@fatcity.com>

Lisa;

On the comment on AIX.... I came from a place that had large AIX servers running oracle 7.3.4 and 8.1.6. I am here to tell you they were the best machines that I have seen in a long time. The sys-admin tools were very easy to use (I was both sys-admin and dba), the hardware was extremely reliable (we actually ran {shiver} with no mirroring or raiding on database drives with no errors for over 4 years), and most (I have to qualify it to most) of the service technicians knew what they were doing.

There
were a couple times when they sent us someone whom were under par .... but one call to their area vp in charge of support at 4 am in the morning and those folks were replaced the next day. (Of course, it helped being one of their big clients in the area).

Anyway
.... I prety much have to swear by AIX these days ..... it was a very good system.

Kevin


-----Original Message-----From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:lisa.koivu_at_efairfield.com]Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 3:16 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64
 Kevin, sure I will. I just
 didn't want to muck up the list.
 Here's what I found. If anyone
 has any comments to add, please do.
 My question was about the utilities
 across different flavors of Unix and if they mean the same thing. vmstat, iostat are the same, however the switches may be a bit different. sar is system V only. truss you must purchase a license for. top is freeware. There is a utility called 'collect' that does something similar to top.
 The response regarding tru64 has been overwhelmingly positive. Some of the positive comments I received:
 1. C compiler (Kernighan and Richie) is not ANSI compliant and may affect any 3rd party apps. 2. Compaq hardware used
 to be lagging in Oracle (Apps) patch releases. Not anymore. 3. The journaling filesystem
 makes mistakes like unplugging the wrong cord (oops!) a simple fix instead of hours of downtime.
 4. Security - Since tru64 is
 not 'mainstream', e.g. marketed everywhere extremely popular, intimate knowledge for hacking the os is not widely known. So obscurity works in your favor.
 5. Clustering technology is
 mature, solid and proven. 6. tru64 is indeed a first tier platform for Oracle. 7. Compaq's support is rated
 as 'very helpful'. 8.
 tru64 has the ability to quickly clone a filesystem. 9. OPS can reside on a filesystem on tru64. 10. Benchmarking
 Solaris E10K/64CPU against Compaq GS-160/16CPU favored the Compaq! WOW 11. <FONT

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Oracle licensed also the TruCluster technology from Compaq. Oracle RAC (Real Application Cluster, new names for OPS) for 9i will only initially be available on tru64, truly first tier.
 Caveats/ Other comments:
 1. Sun, relying on their own
 proprietary hardware, may be hurting themselves in the long run. 2. Sun is
 ex-pen-sive! Compaq wins in this comparison. 3. The future of Sun and Compaq seems a bit shaky right now, but they should pull through in the long run. 4. There's a bug in
 tru64 that doesn't allow one listener to service databases with different versions. Workaround is multiple listeners (no big deal) 5. Oracle does develop on Sun
 hardware. Calling OWWS for a Solaris system may net an answer quicker than running tru64.
 6. Avoid the ultra sparc-2
 chips from Sun. They have a problem with bad caches causing random reboots. I saw this at a previous employer. 7. If it's possible, consider
 IBM/AIX. IBM's sales force is highly trained in administration so you can talk real system architecture with them (not that I'm an admin or architect, I am neither). IBM's support is also top notch. Special thanks to the following
 people for their responses:
 Scott Shafer Ron Morton Lee Robertson Jerry Hess Michael
 Hand Murali Vallath
 Joe Hatchel Mike Kurt Ray Stell Darren Browett Stephen
 Andert Stefan Moeding
 And, the one and only
 clown.... Ross Mohan
 Like I said, I'm overwhelmed at how
 helpful everyone is.

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Lisa: How about contributing a
 summary of the feedback?
 Kevin
 -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 11:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who responded to me when I asked for info on tru64 Unix. I received much more info and feedback than I ever expected!
This list is extremely helpful and I am very appreciative of how willing people are to answer questions. I just hope I contribute enough to make up for how much everyone here has helped me.

HELP!
 Have a great day, all.
 Lisa Koivu Oracle Database Administrator 954-935-4117
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RE: SUMMARY: Thanks everyone - tru64