RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

From: Rodd Holman <rodney.holman_at_lodgenet.com>
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 11:14:06 -0700
Message-ID: <F001.0030FB0B.20010525103112@fatcity.com>

One thing their service doesn't cover. Meetings!! As a DBA I am always called into various project meetings to discuss things like design, optimization, hardware (we are SA/DBA's here), and other things realted to this. What does oracle propse for that? Oh I know hire their consulting services - onsite all the time. Sure that would be cheaper than having a DBA on staff ... ;-)
Rodd Holman

Original Message dated 5/25/01, 12:28:53 PM Author: "Vergara," Michael "(TEM)" <mvergara_at_guidant.com> Re: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...:

I can remember as far back as version 7.3 where Oracle was touting that "you won't need a DBA for our new database". It hasn't happened yet, has it? Oh yes, it's easier, but we're still here!

And besides, what were they offering in the cold call? Replacing your DBAs with their DBAs. At (probably) twice the price. Outsourcing Lives!

Just my $0.02 worth.

Mike

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Michael P. Vergara              | Ive got a PBS mind in an MTV world
Oracle DBA                      |
Guidant Corporation             |

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Very stupid thing to do by Oracle, considering the fact that many Oracle purchasing decisions are made by Oracle DBAs. To shut us out like that will most certainly have an effect on Oracle Sales. Hell, you don't need me anymore? I'll switch political sides and jump the ship to IBM, or <gasp> Microsoft...

Far as their "superior" i-dba team, I sure hope those are different people from the ones you get on first line of Support...

Gary Weber

PS. Or maybe we should all become Oracle salesmen (saleswomen)....

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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My boss just received a cold call from Oracle that he let me listen in on. They have a new push on for their i-dba support package. For just a little more money (they did not define little), "we will replace your dba's with our superior support team that will monitor your database 24x7 and proactively eliminate problems. This will allow you to redesign you office to offload these cumbersome DBA tasks and allow your workers to do other things. You will never have another database problem." I felt good when my boss indicated that we had no base problems but based on this, I guess we will have to become sqlserver DBAs or <gasp> developers... :) Ahh, Friday, wonderful Friday, it seems like you've been away all week...
--Chris

Chris.Bowes_at_Kosa.com
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One thing their service doesn't cover. Meetings!! As a DBA I am always called into various project meetings to discuss things like design, optimization, hardware (we are SA/DBA's here), and other things realted to this. What does oracle propse for that? Oh I know hire their consulting services - onsite all the time. Sure that would be cheaper than having a DBA on staff ... ;-)

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Author: "Vergara," Michael "(TEM)" <mvergara_at_guidant.com> Re: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...:

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can remember as far back as version 7.3 where Oracle was touting that
"you
won't need a DBA for our new database".  It hasn't happened yet, 

has
it?  Oh yes, it's easier, but we're still here!   And
besides, what were they offering in the cold call?  Replacing your
DBAs
with their DBAs.  At (probably) twice the price.  Outsourcing Lives!
  Just
my $0.02 worth.   Mike
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Michael
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Vergara              | Ive got a PBS mind in an MTV world Oracle
DBA                      |
Guidant Corporation             |
<BLOCKQUOTE STYLE="margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; text-align: left"> -----Original Message----- From: Gary Weber [mailto:gweber_at_cji.com] Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:27 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...</BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE STYLE="margin-bottom: 0in">Very
stupid thing to do by Oracle, considering the fact that many Oracle purchasing decisions are made by Oracle DBAs. To shut us out like that will most certainly have an effect on Oracle Sales. Hell, you don't need me anymore? I'll switch political sides and jump the ship to IBM, or <gasp> Microsoft...</BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE STYLE="margin-bottom: 0in"> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE STYLE="margin-bottom: 0in">Far
as their "superior" i-dba team, I sure hope those are different people from the ones you get on first line of Support...</BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE STYLE="margin-bottom: 0in"> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE STYLE="margin-bottom: 0in">Gary

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Or maybe we should all become Oracle salesmen (saleswomen)....</BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE STYLE="margin-bottom: 0in"> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE STYLE="text-align: left">-----Original Message----- From: root_at_fatcity.com [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Bowes, Chris Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 12:02 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>My boss just received a cold call from Oracle that he let me listen in on.  They have a new push on for their i-dba support package.  For just a little more money (they did not define little), "we will replace your dba's with our superior support team that will monitor your database 24x7 and proactively eliminate problems.  This will allow you to redesign you office to offload these cumbersome DBA tasks and allow your workers to do other things.  You will never have another database problem."   I felt good when my boss indicated that we had no base problems but based on this, I guess we will have to become sqlserver DBAs or <gasp>  developers...    :)</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Ahh, Friday, wonderful Friday,  it seems like you've been away all week...

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