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I used to own a two volume copy of the OED.. even with the magnifying glass they provide, it's almost impossible to read :)
I am constantly in awe of the breadth of your knowledge and interests.
>From: "Eric D. Pierce" <PierceED_at_csus.edu>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: RE: (Fwd) Wilber/Shambala interview ("transideological" social
>trends)
>Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:36:42 -0800
>
>worship godesses that can create rifts in the space/time continuum. :) no,
>it is just an "addiction" caused by reading the Whole Earth Catalog when I
>was a little kid back in the 1960s.
>
>http://www.edge.org/documents/digerati/Brand.html
>-
>http://www.duhcentral.com/mis/curriculum.htm
>
>---excerpt---
>
>
>IDEAS:
>cybernetics, understanding whole systems, tool, ecology
>
>NOTES: Stewart Brand was running around in the mid-sixties (when NASA had
>taken its first satellite photos of the earth with the entire round profile
>in the frame but wouldn't release them to the public), handing out protest
>buttons which said, "WHY HAVEN'T WE SEEN THE WHOLE EARTH?" And sure enough,
>when detailed color pictures taken by the Apollo Eight crew of our home
>planet were published right after Christmas 1968, they galvanized the
>public and helped in the popularization of the ecology movement. As Joni
>Mitchell sang:
>
> "In a highway service station, over the month of June, Was a photograph
>of the Earth taken coming back from the Moon. And you couldn't see a city
>on that marble bowling ball, Or a forest or a highway, or me the least of
>all."
>
>It was this type of romanticization of the Whole Earth which lead me to the
>Whole Earth Catalog. Actually, the WEC (as it calls itself) began as a
>mail-
> order catalog for back-to-the-land communes, but it had an eccelctic,
>holistic view that quickly took it into cybernetcis and systems theory, and
>I followed. As I explained in the introduction, these "catalogs" edited by
>Stewart Brand first introduced me to most of the ideas and thinkers listed
>in this essay.
>
>QUOTE: The WHOLE EARTH CATALOG got started in a plane over Nebraska in
>March 1968. I was returning to California from my father's long dying and
>funeral that morning in Illinois. The sun had set ahead of the plane while
>I read Spaceship Earth by Barbara Ward. Between chapters I gazed out the
>window into dark nothing and slid into a reverie about my friends who were
>starting their own civilization hither and yon in the sticks and how could
>I help. The L. L. Bean catalog of outdoor stuff came to mind and I pondered
>upon Mr. Bean's service to humanity over the years. So many of the problems
>I could identify came down to a matter of access. Where to buy a windmill.
>Where to get good information about bee-keeping. Where to lay hands on a
>computer without forfeiting freedom... Shortly I was fantasizing access
>service. A Truck Store, maybe, travelling around with information and
>samples of what was worth getting and information where to get it. A
>Catalog too, continuously updated, in part by the users. A Catalog that
>owed nothing to the suppliers and everything to the users. It would be
>something I could put some years into. Amid the fever I was in by this
>time, I remembered Fuller's admonition that you have about 10 minutes to
>act on an idea before it recedes back into dreamland. I started writing on
>the end papers of Barbara Ward's book (never did finish reading it). ...
>Understanding whole systems is knowing how to fly. You can rise above local
>circumstances, travel with blurring speed, and set down in a place wholly
>distant, strange and wonderful. Or maybe not so wonderful, in which case
>you best know how to take off in a tight situation, and remember where home
>is. The price you pay for understanding is the grim knowledge of trade-offs
>in design. That you can have an airplane that goes fast or one that lands
>in 200 ft., but not both. That to save these people you may have to starve
>those people. By and by you dwell in a wilderness of conflicting
>considerations. If you survive your wishful solutions -- and there's
>usually margin -- you may become a wily and sky-hooked metaphysician. The
>solutions are always meta. The means always funky field expedient. ...
>Evolution and cybernetics are going to come together. This is the edge of
>knowledge right now, and it's right at the heart of education, and the
>schools don't know it.
>
>[-- all from The Last Whole Earth Catalog, 1971]
>{HYPERLINK "https://www.well.net/mwec/home.html"}
>
>---end---
>
>regards,
>ep
>
>ps, one day I *will* own the 2 volume OED!!!
>
>On 23 May 2001, at 7:19, Mark Leith wrote:
>
>
> > ... where do you get all the time from to collate this
> > extraordinarily extensive yet thoroughly interesting psycho babble? :)
>
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>Author: Eric D. Pierce
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