RE: recruiters. Aargh. (More on them!)

From: Christopher Spence <cspence_at_FuelSpot.com>
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 12:46:20 -0700
Message-ID: <F001.00308DC2.20010520124521@fatcity.com>

As a dba you don't have to do designing and development. You will find though 2 years is tough.
Here is my assessment.

1-3 years experience Very tough to find a job but everyone wants to waste your times in interviews
3-5 years experience Alot of opportunities but will fall short for "senior" positions
6+ years of experience Tons of jobs, alot of them want you for midlevel positions (based on offered salary).

To be honest, there isn't much difference in salary between a 5 year dba and 20 years.
Once you make 5 year mark, your pretty much home free (I am yet to hit it as I been doing Oracle for 3.5 years, and about 2 of very solid work). The first 5 years are tough in my opinion unless you have something special someone wants. For me, it has been my dedication and tenacity not my length of service.

I have talked to alot of DBA's in my short period of time, and I have detirmined one thing, attitude is KEY.
You have to have a certain something as there are many things involved with Oracle and in my opinion very few people in comparison to the amount of dba's out there actually put effort into it to become better.

Traits I feel are important:

Hunger, desire to be the best
Ability to stand your ground with developers
Ability to bend for developers when the task depends on it
Ability to stare at a book for hours
Desire to read things just because you want to
Schedule to handle long hours when in a crunch
Motivation to better yourself when things are slow and everything is working (hardly ever)
Ability to take critism for everything, it is always a database problem unless proved otherwise.

Not to go way off topic, but there are jobs out there for 2 year dba's, but your attitude will be the number 1 factor if you can do anything with them after you get your foot in the door. Your recruiter and your resume is what is the number 1 factor to just get in the door.

I happen to be better once I am in the door, many people happen to be better at getting in the door. You have to be able to do both.

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:55 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Hi!..

Can someone please help me?

I have worked as oracle Dba for 2 and half years and now the recruiters 'complain' that I have not done any 'designing or development'.

Can someone please advise on 'where do I go from here'?

Thanks

PS: Oracle is 'useless' in giving such advise, cos

     their 'worldview' starts and ends with OCP.
     which I find recruiters 'barely notice'!!!!!

Original Message -------------- Henry Poras <Henry.Poras_at_ctp.com> wrote: To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> From:Henry Poras <Henry.Poras_at_ctp.com> Date:Fri, 18 May 2001 12:06:50 -0800 Subject:recruiters. Aargh

Funny story from earlier this week. I've been pestered by a recruiter making cold calls who is trying to get me to hire an Oracle Developer. I told her we had a hiring freeze, but she claimed he walked on water, and we couldn't pass him up. I asked her to fax a resume and told her I would look at it. Of course the resume was nothing special. When I told her "the resume does not warrent us superceeding the hiring freeze" I could almost hear the lightbulb popping above her head as she contemplated the next call to our switchboard. "Warren, is that the name of your manager?" she asked. bye bye.

Henry

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