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Regrettably I find most of what is in the letter as "marketing hype". If I were using Informix or DB2 right now, I'd be scared as hell. There is no telling what will get dropped from which product, what will merge where & what the migration costs are. There is also a very good chance that it may take a significant amount of time for the dust to settle and consequently a significant amount of code re-work that will have to be done and re-done. Not a very bright near term future, I'd say.
Dick Goulet
____________________Reply Separator____________________ Author: "Behar; Rivaldi" <Rivaldi.Behar_at_ilonafinancial.com> Date: 5/4/2001 12:50 PM
Where is Ellison ?
What does he react on IBM Informix reaction .....
Rivaldi
Oracle DBA
>
> Subject: IBM acquisition of Informix - competitor reaction
>
> Dear Informix Customer,
>
> You may have noticed some frenzied activity from Oracle recently,
> reacting to the IBM decision to acquire Informix. Oracle clearly is
> acting out of desperation when it tries to panic Informix customers in
> an effort to encourage them to move to the Oracle platform. As we're
> sure you are aware, the information that Oracle is publishing is grossly
> misleading. It has the sole purpose of creating an atmosphere of doubt
> and uncertainty in the minds of satisfied Informix users, where no such
> uncertainty should exist.
>
> We would like to take this opportunity to reassure you that Informix
> users have absolutely no reason to be concerned about continued support,
> or the quality of that support. Unfortunately, this is one of the areas
> where Oracle is acting unprofessionally and is trying to generate
> confusion. IBM has publicly stated its commitment to maintain and update
> Informix's database products for the foreseeable future. We intend to
> keep our word.
>
> Other areas where Oracle is seeking to generate confusion are equally
> lacking in merit and deserve clarification:
>
> * Claims of superior technology are simply unsupportable -- and
> most analysts will readily agree.
>
> * Oracle products are known for their limited scalability - single
> instances of over 1 terabyte are very rare in the Oracle customer base,
> and again the analysts will support this.
>
> * There are countless examples of customers who are managing
> Informix and IBM DB2 databases with significantly less resources than
> Oracle users. This makes nonsense of Oracle's claims that they have
> easier management or lower cost of ownership advantages.
>
> * Oracle has taken tremendous criticism from their users about
> their power unit pricing. In contrast, both IBM and Informix have
> simpler and lower pricing, and are proven in independent studies to
> deliver lower total cost of ownership than Oracle.
>
>
> We have always believed that Informix and IBM offer our customers superb
> products. Individually our technologies are unquestionably superior to
> Oracle's. Collectively, the combination of product and services
> strengths provided by our two companies is outstanding. Together we are
> proud to offer innovative and powerful solutions that can provide
> unparalleled benefits to our users -- while leaving Oracle and its
> misleading and exaggerated claims in the dust.
>
> As Janet Perna said at the time of the announcement of the acquisition,
> "IBM and Informix are impressive as separate entities, but by joining
> forces we can truly make database history. Together, we have the ability
> to set the information infrastructure standard for the next generation."
>
>
> You can be confident that the decision you made to stay with Informix
> and IBM is one you will be proud of for years to come.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Janet Perna, General Manager, Data Management Solutions, IBM Corporation
>
> Jim Foy, President, Informix Software
>
>
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:22 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
But analysts have recently raised concerns that Oracle is
losing its hold on the database market, particularly to
IBM.
For more information, go to:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010430/tc/tech_oracle_software_dc_1.html
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You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2652.35"> <TITLE>RE: More oracle news from the ether - IBMMix reaction</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Where is Ellison ?</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>What does he react on IBM Informix reaction .....</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Rivaldi </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Oracle DBA</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Subject: IBM acquisition of Informix - competitor reaction</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Dear Informix Customer,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> You may have noticed some frenzied activity from Oracle recently,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> reacting to the IBM decision to acquire Informix. Oracle clearly is</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> acting out of desperation when it tries to panic Informix customers in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> an effort to encourage them to move to the Oracle platform. As we're</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> sure you are aware, the information that Oracle is publishing is grossly</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> misleading. It has the sole purpose of creating an atmosphere of doubt</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> and uncertainty in the minds of satisfied Informix users, where no such</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> uncertainty should exist. </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> We would like to take this opportunity to reassure you that Informix</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> users have absolutely no reason to be concerned about continued support,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> or the quality of that support. Unfortunately, this is one of the areas</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> where Oracle is acting unprofessionally and is trying to generate</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> confusion. IBM has publicly stated its commitment to maintain and update</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Informix's database products for the foreseeable future. We intend to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> keep our word.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Other areas where Oracle is seeking to generate confusion are equally</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> lacking in merit and deserve clarification: </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> * Claims of superior technology are simply unsupportable -- and</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> most analysts will readily agree. </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> * Oracle products are known for their limited scalability - single</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> instances of over 1 terabyte are very rare in the Oracle customer base,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> and again the analysts will support this. </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> * There are countless examples of customers who are managing</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Informix and IBM DB2 databases with significantly less resources than</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Oracle users. This makes nonsense of Oracle's claims that they have</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> easier management or lower cost of ownership advantages. </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> * Oracle has taken tremendous criticism from their users about</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> their power unit pricing. In contrast, both IBM and Informix have</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> simpler and lower pricing, and are proven in independent studies to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> deliver lower total cost of ownership than Oracle. </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> We have always believed that Informix and IBM offer our customers superb</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> products. Individually our technologies are unquestionably superior to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Oracle's. Collectively, the combination of product and services</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> strengths provided by our two companies is outstanding. Together we are</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> proud to offer innovative and powerful solutions that can provide</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> unparalleled benefits to our users -- while leaving Oracle and its</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> misleading and exaggerated claims in the dust.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> As Janet Perna said at the time of the announcement of the acquisition,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> "IBM and Informix are impressive as separate entities, but by joining</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> forces we can truly make database history. Together, we have the ability</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> to set the information infrastructure standard for the next generation."</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> You can be confident that the decision you made to stay with Informix</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> and IBM is one you will be proud of for years to come.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Kind regards</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Janet Perna, General Manager, Data Management Solutions, IBM Corporation</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Jim Foy, President, Informix Software</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>> </FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Mohan, Ross [<A HREF="mailto:MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com">mailto:MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:22 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: More oracle news from the ether. </FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=2>---------------------------------------------------------</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>4) NEWS: Clouds Over Oracle</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>---------------------------------------------------------</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Oracle's executive vice president of North American </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>sales, George Roberts, said at a technology conference in </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>San Francisco recently that the sales outlook for Oracle </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>remained cloudy. With the scheduled release of Oracle9i -</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>- the latest database version -- in May, Roberts was </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>optimistic that Oracle's revenues should get a boost.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>But analysts have recently raised concerns that Oracle is </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>losing its hold on the database market, particularly to </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>IBM.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>For more information, go to: </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2><A HREF="http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010430/tc/tech_oracle_software_dc_1.html " TARGET="_blank">http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010430/tc/tech_oracle_softwa re_dc_1.html</A></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>-- </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: <A HREF="http://www.orafaq.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.orafaq.com</A></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>-- </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Author: Mohan, Ross</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2> INET: MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2>Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>--------------------------------------------------------------------</FON T> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>to: ListGuru_at_fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2>(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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