RE: Re[2]:OT: RANT ABOUT OCP, Re: Small help

There can be a situation when somebody with experience in IT - developer for example, would like to do DBA job instead. Nothing bad to get OCP and try to get a job - on the junior or middle level, not on senior level. I personally know one person (not me :-) ) who from zero in IT (previous job had nothing to do wit IT at all) became proficient Oracle DBA on HP UX. So it depends on the person.

Alex Hillman

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        From:   dgoulet_at_vicr.com [SMTP:dgoulet_at_vicr.com]
        Sent:   Thursday, March 29, 2001 11:11 AM
        To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
        Subject:        Re[2]:OT: RANT ABOUT OCP, Re: Small help

        Cherie,

            OK, point well taken, so "silver bullet" would translate into
"the one item
        that will succeed when no other does", "magic formula".  

        And, no he never did say he had an OCP, but he did say he was taking
a "course"
        to get his OCP.  To me having an OCP certificate without any
experience is
        totally meaningless.  All it tells me is that you can memorize
information and
        take a test.  It does not tell me that you'll hold up in a crisis or
that you
        really understand the consequences of your actions.  That experience
speaks
        volumes more.  Now someone with a number of years experience AND an
OCP
        certificate is a different matter altogether.  Consequently my
question, are new
        people looking at the OCP as the gateway into a position that they
could not
        otherwise get?

        BTW: I'm not trying to either criticize or "brow beat" Xing.  If
that impression
        has been left, then I apologize.  He asked a question, similar ones
I field in
        house each day, and he was given an answer that is similar to the
ones I hand
        out to my developers although I'd have given him the page number too
and a whole
        lot less trash than Xing has gotten from this list.  In my mind that
is
        sufficient to the purpose.  Now if that creates additional
questions, a much
        longer dissertation on the results is in order.


        Dick Goulet

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        Author: Cherie_Machler_at_gelco.com
        Date:       3/29/2001 6:35 AM


        Dick/Lee/Joe,

        I'm not trying to defend him but unless I have not yet recieved
        a post in my mail, Xing never said he had an OCP.   Plus, Lee,
        I think you may need to define "silver bullet".  It probably doesn't
        translate for people who don't use English as a second language.

        Cherie Machler
        Gelco Information Network
        (really too busy this morning migrating a database to be sticking my
nose
        where it doesn't belong)




        dgoulet_at_vicr.com_at_fatcity.com on 03/29/2001 08:00:45 AM

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        Lee & Joe,

            While I do agree that is possible one should try to figure these
things
        out,
        and this really is a simple one, there does come a time when asking
for
        help is
        appropriate.  In this case Lee's answer is very much so.  As far as
taking
        an
        OCP course, that does torque my jaws.  Over the last two years we
must have
        had
        10 people looking for a job who's only mention of Oracle on their
resume is
        that
        they have their OCP certificate.  Needless to say, not a one of them
has
        been
        invited in for an interview.  I'll ask the question that's been
bugging me
        for
        some time, Xing, do you think this is some kind of "silver bullet"
to
        getting a
        job?

        Dick Goulet

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        Author: "Joseph S. Testa" <teci_at_oracle-dba.com>
        Date:       3/29/2001 4:05 AM

        Lee, i'm with you 200%,


        oh and for the original addressee(and others) if you can't figure
out
        what the heck that simple pl/sql block is doing(or where to figure
it
        out), then quit diluting the OCP worthiness,  people who study just
to
        take the OCP and have no experience just go to further the waste of
        paper that the certificate is printed on.  :)


        joe

        lerobe - Lee Robertson wrote:


        >

        > Xing,

        >

        > Have a look at the documentation, specifically, Application

Developers


        > Guide, section dealing with "Using Procedures and Packages".

        >

        > No disrespect intended but sometimes, certainly for questions such

as
        this,


        > you will learn a heck of a lot more by digging around in the docs,

and


        > reading (and working out) the answer for yourself. That is

certainly my


        > experience. You will also fell encouraged to delve further and

learn more


        > about other packages etc. Hope my pointer will help you.

        >

        > To the rest of you - I know it would have been quicker to write

down the


        > answer to Xings question, but what will he have learned about the

general


        > syntax ??

        >

        > Regards

        >

        > Lee

        >

        > -----Original Message-----

        > Sent: 29 March 2001 07:05

        > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

        >

        > Hi DBAs and SAs,

        >

        > Can someone tell me what is this ORACLE PL/SQL Script all about,..

        > Ya... I know I have to read alot, my OCP course will start next

month.


        >

        > BEGIN

        >    dbms_utility.analyze_schema ( '&OWNER', 'ESTIMATE', NULL, 5 ) ;

        > END ;

        > /

        >

        > Thank you

        >

        > Xing

        >



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