RE: general doubt

From: Zhou, Tapiwanashe <tzhou_at_border.co.zw>
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:40:04 +0200
Message-Id: <10730.125672@fatcity.com>

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Alex I think that enough now !

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Hillman [mailto:alex_hillman_at_physia.com] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 7:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: general doubt

I am horrified.

Alex Hillman

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rachel Carmichael
    To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L     Sent: 1/3/01 9:51 PM
    Subject: RE: general doubt

From www.dictionary.com:

insinuation: Something insinuated, especially an artfully indirect, often
derogatory suggestion.

insinuate: To introduce or insert (oneself) by subtle and artful means.

Based on those definitions, I didn't insinuate anything. I was neither subtle nor indirect in calling you sexist.

sexism: Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of
social roles based on gender.

Telling me that I am not your mother or wife is promoting stereotyping, since those are gender-based roles.

I told you to use the delete key and not to insult me... no insinuation there. You might consider checking a dictionary before you use words when
you are not sure of the definitions.

Consider yourself permanently blocked -- and a complaint about your behavior
has been lodged with the list owner.

>From: Alex Hillman <alex_hillman_at_physia.com>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: RE: general doubt
>Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:30:32 -0800
>
>Maybe it is enough. What is your next insinuation? Sexist - it is
>hilarious.
>You should have better arguments than that. And also you can delete my
>messages - if you use MS Outlook you can even have a rule to delete
 them
>immediately.
>
>Alex Hillman
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:46 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>Yes you are entitled to your view -- but when you add to the messages
 on a
>topic then you add to the trash if you consider the topic itself to be
>trash.
>
>As for not being your wife or mother -- no, thank goodness, I'm not in
 any
>way or form related to you. And I find it insulting that you would say
 that
>to me, since you would NOT say "you are not my father" to any man on
 this
>list. I find that a sexist remark and definitely "trashing" this list.
>
>As for being or not being a school teacher... whether or not I was is
>irrelevant... but I consider THAT a compliment (although I can infer
 that
>you don't think it is). School teachers educate... and I think that
>eradicating ignorance is a noble task.
>
> >From: Alex Hillman <alex_hillman_at_physia.com>
> >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> >Subject: RE: general doubt
> >Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:10:42 -0800
> >
> >I think that as anybody else I am entitled to my point of view and
 can
> >express it. This is definitely trashing and every day it becomes
 worse.
>In
> >trashing I mean to diminish the value of this list. Also there were
 no
> >indications in the subject showing me that I should delete the
 message.
> >Also
> >I do not appreciate this "I remind you, the delete key is located on
 your
> >keyboard and labelled as such". You are not my mother or wife or
 school
> >teacher (or maybe you are a school teacher - in former life?).
> >
> >Alex Hillman
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 2:26 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >Alex,
> >
> >"trashing this list"? A bit harsh and definitely inaccurate.
> >
> >I remind you, the delete key is located on your keyboard and labelled
 as
> >such. I suggest you use it instead of, to quote your own message,
>"trashing
> >this list".
> >
> >Rachel
> >
> >
> > >From: Alex Hillman <alex_hillman_at_physia.com>
> > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > >Subject: RE: general doubt
> > >Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:15:29 -0800
> > >
> > >Why don't you go to the library or search engine in the internet
 and
>try
> > >your question there instead of trashing this list?
> > >
> > >Alex Hillman
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:21 AM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >Hi Guys
> > >
> > >Can any one give me information regarding B2B and B2C solutions.
> > >
> > >
> > >Thanx in advance
> > >Rambabu
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
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> > >Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 10:29 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >| Hi there ,
> > >| Previously , I have used Oracle and DB2 , talking to each other
> > >.
> > >| We used , "Oracle Transparent Gateway for DB2" , sitting between
> > >Oracle and
> > >| DB2 .
> > >| If you do not want additional software in between , I can think
> > >of a shell
> > >| script on Sybase's side to which we will pass the data and some
> > >Pro*C program
> > >| calling the shell script from Oracle's side ( with proper
> > >parameters etc.) .
> > >| This is what is my first thaught ..... but lets look for a
> > >better option ,
> > >| which can be a database to database talk . Is it what you are
> > >looking for ?
> > >|
> > >| Cheers ,
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think that enough now !</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE>

<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader>-----Original Message----- From: Alex Hillman=20 [mailto:alex_hillman_at_physia.com] Sent: Thursday, January = 04, 2001=20

7:41 AM To: Multiple recipients of list=20 ORACLE-L Subject: RE: general doubt </DIV>

    <P><FONT size=3D2>I am horrified.</FONT> </P>
    <P><FONT size=3D2>Alex Hillman </FONT></P>
    <P><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT =

size=3D2>From:=20

Rachel Carmichael To: Multiple recipients = of list=20

ORACLE-L Sent: 1/3/01 9:51 PM = <FONT=20

size=3D2>Subject: RE: general doubt From www.dictionary.com: insinuation: Something insinuated, especially an = artfully=20

indirect, often derogatory=20

suggestion. 
insinuate: To introduce or insert (oneself) by = subtle and=20

artful means. 
Based on those definitions, I didn't insinuate = anything. I=20

was neither subtle nor indirect in calling = you=20

sexist. 
sexism:  Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors = that=20

promote stereotyping of <FONT=20 size=3D2>social roles based on gender. Telling me that I am not your mother or wife is = promoting=20

stereotyping, since those are gender-based =

roles. 
I told you to use the delete key and not to insult = me... no=20

insinuation there. You might consider = checking a=20

dictionary before you use words when=20 you are not sure of the = definitions.

Consider yourself permanently blocked -- and a = complaint=20

about your behavior has been=20

lodged with the list owner. >From: Alex Hillman=20 <alex_hillman_at_physia.com> >Reply-To:=20

ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com >To: Multiple = recipients of=20

list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> <FONT=20 size=3D2>>Subject: RE: general doubt >Date: Wed,=20

03 Jan 2001 13:30:32 -0800 > = <FONT=20

size=3D2>>Maybe it is enough. What is your next insinuation? = Sexist - it is=20

>hilarious. >You=20

should have better arguments than that. And also you can delete = my=20

>messages - if you use MS Outlook you can even = have a=20

rule to delete them <FONT=20 size=3D2>>immediately. > = <FONT=20

size=3D2>>Alex Hillman > = <FONT=20

size=3D2>>-----Original Message----- >Sent:=20

Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:46 PM >To: Multiple=20

recipients of list ORACLE-L > = <FONT=20

size=3D2>> >Yes you are entitled to = your view --=20

but when you add to the messages on = a=20

>topic then you add to the trash if you = consider the=20

topic itself to be >trash. = <FONT=20

size=3D2>> >As for not being your = wife or mother=20

no, thank goodness, I'm not in any=20 >way or form related to you. And I find it = insulting=20 that you would say that <FONT=20 size=3D2>>to me, since you would NOT say "you are not my = father"=20 to any man on this >list.=20 I find that a sexist remark and definitely "trashing" this =

list. > >As for being=20

or not being a school teacher... whether or not I was is = <FONT=20

size=3D2>>irrelevant... but I consider THAT a compliment = (although I can=20

infer that >you don't=20

think it is). School teachers educate... and I think that = <FONT=20

size=3D2>>eradicating ignorance is a noble task. <FONT =

size=3D2>> > >From: Alex Hillman=20 <alex_hillman_at_physia.com> > = >Reply-To:=20

ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com > >To: Multiple =

recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> = <FONT=20

size=3D2>> >Subject: RE: general doubt >=20

>Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:10:42 -0800 >=20

> > >I think that as anybody else = I am=20

entitled to my point of view and can=20

> >express it. This is definitely trashing = and every=20

day it becomes worse. <FONT=20 size=3D2>>In > >trashing I mean = to diminish=20

the value of this list. Also there were no=20

> >indications in the subject showing me = that I=20

should delete the message. = <FONT=20

size=3D2>> >Also > >I do not = appreciate=20

this "I remind you, the delete key is located on = <FONT=20

size=3D2>your > >keyboard and = labelled as=20

such". You are not my mother or wife or <FONT=20 size=3D2>school > >teacher (or maybe = you are a=20

school teacher - in former life?). > = >=20

> >Alex Hillman >=20

> > >-----Original = Message-----=20

> >Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 2:26 = PM=20

    <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt;To: Multiple recipients of list =
ORACLE-L</FONT>=20
    <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; =
&gt;</FONT>=20
    <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt;Alex,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; =

>=20

> >"trashing this list"?  A = bit harsh=20

and definitely inaccurate. > = >=20

> >I remind you, the delete key is located = on your=20

keyboard and labelled as <FONT=20 size=3D2>> >such. I suggest you use it instead of, to quote = your own=20

message, >"trashing = <FONT=20

size=3D2>> >this list". > =

&gt;</FONT>=20
    <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt;Rachel</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; =
&gt;</FONT>=20
    <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt; &gt; =

>From: Alex=20

Hillman <alex_hillman_at_physia.com> > >=20

>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com > = > >To:=20

Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L = <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>=20

> > >Subject: RE: general doubt = <FONT=20

size=3D2>> > >Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:15:29 -0800 = <FONT=20

size=3D2>> > > > > >Why = don't you go=20

to the library or search engine in the internet and=20

>try > = > >your=20

question there instead of trashing this list? >=20

> > > > >Alex = Hillman=20

> > > > = >=20

>-----Original Message----- > > = >Sent:=20

Wednesday, January 03, 2001 3:21 AM > = >=20

>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >=20

> > > > > <FONT=20 size=3D2>> > >Hi Guys > > = >=20

> > >Can any one give me information = regarding B2B=20

and B2C solutions. > > > = <FONT=20

size=3D2>> > > > > = >Thanx in=20

advance > > >Rambabu = <FONT=20

size=3D2>> > > > > = >----- Original=20

Message ----- > > >To: Multiple = recipients=20

of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> >=20

> >Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 10:29 PM <FONT=20 size=3D2>> > > > > = >=20

> > >| Hi there , >=20

> >| Previously , I have used Oracle and DB2 , talking to each =

other > > >. >=20

> >| We used , "Oracle Transparent Gateway for DB2" = ,=20

sitting between > > >Oracle = and=20

> > >| DB2 . > >=20

>| If you do not want additional software in between , I can = think=20

> > >of a shell > >=20

>| script on Sybase's side to which we will pass the data and = some=20

> > >Pro*C program >=20

> >| calling the shell script from Oracle's side ( with = proper=20

> > >parameters etc.) . <FONT =

size=3D2>> > >| This is what is my first thaught ..... but = lets look=20

for a > > >better option , = <FONT=20

size=3D2>> > >| which can be a database to database talk . = Is it what=20

you are > > >looking for ? = <FONT=20

size=3D2>> > >| > > >| = Cheers=20

, > > >| Rahul Rasal = <FONT=20

size=3D2>> > >| Mobile No. : 07787824194 >=20

> >| > > >| -- = <FONT=20

size=3D2>> > >| Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: <A=20 href=3D"http://www.orafaq.com" =
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