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So... is a post-modernist a futurist? Just wondering.
-----Original Message-----
From: Testa, Joe S [mailto:jstesta_at_dorseyplus.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:05 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: WAAYYY OT: RE: FreeOCP
save the political correctness, too much of that crap goes on already, people are entitled to their opinion whether you or anyone like it or not. This crap of "what i think is right and what you think is right is ok" stinks,
post-modernists suck.
joe
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 7:42 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Come on Rachel, this comment is a little overblown, I don't believe that some one who is a OCP DBA does not know how to shut down a database. These are things some one learns or should learn when they think about being a DBA. I am sure this topics are well covered in OCP exams. The fact is somebody likes to get certified and some people do not. Some body like institution and some do not. It is always a choice and everybody should respect either stand. Exceptions are on both the side.
S.Talukder
Sr.DBA
Convergys Corporation
Direct: (513) 748 5086
Cell:(513) 229 7422
Rachel Carmichael wrote: My point also was that you
cannot generalize... nothing is ever black and white,
there are always shades of gray.Yes there are DBAs
with OCP who are fantastic. There are also DBAs with
OCP who don't know a thing about a database. I get
really scared when I see someone post a note "how do I
shutdown the database" and their signature like has
OCP in it.>From: "aaaa wwwwww" >Reply-To:
ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>To: Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-L >Subject: RE: FreeOCP>Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000
19:25:24 -0800>>Dear Seniors>>Most of U felt bad it
seems !>>When we are generalising U shouldn't bring
case by case example>>Rao>-->>On Tue, 05 Dec 2000
16:45:22> Rachel Carmichael wrote:> >Jeff,> >>
>Forgive me for jumping in on your rant, but I didn't
see the original> >message.> >> >All -> >> >I do love
this quote from the original email:> >> >"In my humble
opinion, any OCP DBA with experience is lot better
than a >OCP> >DBA without experience or an experienced
DBA without OCP."> >> >Really? Let's see.... I've been
working as a DBA for 10+ years. I have >met> >DBAs
with OCP and experience, DBAs with experience and no
OCP and DBAs >with> >OCP and no experience.> >> >OCP
does not in and of itself confer anything. You can
pass the tests and> >never have used the products that
the tests are about. I passed the 8.0 >to> >8i upgrade
without ever having worked with RMAN, partitioned
tables,> >Advanced Queuing, local and global
partitioned indexes etc -- I hadn't> >worked with 8i
at ALL. What I *did* have were some hours spent at>
>conferences listening to people present on these
topics, and a really >good> >ability to guess on
standardized tests. I passed the 7.3 to 8.0 upgrade
>the> >same way.> >> >So I have OCP and it still does
not mean that I have experience in these> >things.> >>
>Jeff is right -- what counts is what the person
knows, not how he/she> >learned it. The best
explanation I have ever heard was from Michael Abbey>
>who said "OCP will get you in the door, but it's up
to you and your> >abilities to keep you there".> >>
>All OCP does is give upper management a warm and
fuzzy (and often >incorrect)> >feeling about the
abilities of the candidate.> >> >I don't look to see
OCP on a resume before I interview someone. I don't>
>reject the candidate if it is there, but it doesn't
get you in the door >to> >see me. Your resume does.>
>> >End of *MY* rant -- thanks Jeff :)> >> >Rachel> >>
>>From: Jeffery Stevenson > >>Reply-To:
ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> >>To: Multiple recipients of
list ORACLE-L > >>Subject: RE: FreeOCP> >>Date: Tue,
05 Dec 2000 06:41:28 -0800> >>> >> Every person should
be judged on their own individual merits...a >veteran>
>>DBA without OCP might have a box at home (or at
work) where they take >the> >>latest and greatest and
play with all the new features to figure out how>
>>they work and see what kind of advantages they
bring. You could have a >DBA> >>with lots of years of
experience recorded and an OCP that has just been>
>>soaking up money in a big contract for a consulting
firm somewhere (and >not> >>really doing much), but
they've had lots of time to take the tests >(until>
>>they passed them all). There are too many variables
in this world to >judge> >>a situation without getting
all of the details...keeping that in mind, I> >>cannot
agree with your viewpoint that an OCP DBA with
experience is >going> >>to> >>be better than any other
DBA--every situation is different. When>
>>interviewing other DBAs, I might make initial
judgements after reviewing> >>their resume, but
(unless that resume is really, really bad) I won't
>rule> >>them out until I've had a chance to talk with
them. The DBA market is a> >>tight market, why rule
out any potentially good employee/help based on>
>>years> >>of experience or a piece of paper? None of
that can tell me exactly >what> >>kind of heart, will,
intelligence, common sense, personality, or >learning>
>>ability a person has. OCP and years of experience
have definite merits> >>when> >>trying to get HR's
attention and jacking prices in contracts, but if the>
>>person behind all that isn't really that good...>
>>> >> Sorry about the rant, but I just couldn't sit
back and listen to all> >>this> >>without saying
something...> >>> >>Jeffery Stevenson> >>Chief Databeast Tamer> >>Medical Present Value, Inc.>
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