RE:Bribing the SA and company bribes in general

Steve,

The point is to find out what bribes YOUR SAs. In my case, the SAs want chocolate (and we stock M&M's, pretzels, any General Mills cereal that has the free CD from our company offer on the box, popcorn, etc). One of the programmers wants "healthy snacks" -- I'd bring him celery and carrot sticks.

You might have to bribe with things like, oh say, car washes :)

Rachel

>From: "Steve Orr" <sorr_at_arzoo.com>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: RE:Bribing the SA and company bribes in general
>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:50:39 -0800
>
>Hi Rachel,
>
>That doesn't work here... we have a nearly unlimited supply of chocolate,
>candy bars, power bars, snacks, popcorn, pretzels and the like, the
>refrigerator is constantly stocked with soft drinks, bottled water,
>Snapple,
>etc. Sigh... the waste-line hazards of working for a startup where they try
>to bribe EVERYONE. I understand that Microsoft's increased employee
>productivity secret is free espresso.
>
>Whining all the way to the fridge again...
>Steve Orr
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Carmichael
>Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:21 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>or at least finding out what bribes the SA will accept (which is why I
>brought in a large bag of Hershey's kisses today <G>)
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Steve Orr" <sorr_at_arzoo.com>
> >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> >Subject: RE: SAC NORAD .... how to break it?
> >Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:00:48 -0800
> >
> >Apart from the obvious it's going to vary so you'll need to create your
>own
> >checklist of things to test for your particular environment. You'll also
> >want to test that you have good monitoring in place. I once thought I was
> >protected with mirrored redo logs only to find out one drive had failed a
> >month before and the sysadmin wasn't monitoring the mirror. You should
> >probably start by taking your sysadmin out to lunch.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Linda
> >Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 1:50 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >Steve/Anyone -
> >
> >We're going to be doing HA in the near future. I'm sure I can come up
>with
> >obvious tests, like pull a disk, turn off a machine.... But do you have
>a
> >'break it' checklist? (sorry if this has been asked before) Especially
> >how
> >it affects Oracle performance. I want this thing to run smoothly.
> >
> >Unless of course we have a 'real' test of Norad in which case I'm close
> >enough that I don't care!
> >
> >Linda
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:36 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >systems
> >
> >
> >Actually, NORAD was designed to survive a direct hit as was capable
>during
> >the time it was build. However, with more accurate delivery systems now
>it
> >is conceivable that a missle could navigate part way through the entrance
> >tunnel so as to make the facility inoperable. Then there are multiple
> >direct
> >hits...
> >
> >But of course, none of this has been tested and sadly, this is often the
> >case with HA 24X7 systems. You need sufficient pre-production quiet time
>to
> >test your HA solution. I call it the "pseudo sledge hammer" testing
>period.
> >Have you ever taken a drive out of your RAID and replaced it to see how
> >long
> >it takes for resilvering and what happens to I/O performance? How much
>time
> >does it take to test the entire HA implementation and how much time will
> >you
> >be given? The trouble is that you get all this expensive equipment in the
> >data center and install Oracle then damagement is anxious to get the
>entire
> >application up and running ASAP and asks you to take short cuts or just
> >trust that everything will work. But really you haven't finished the job
> >until you've reasonably tested everything end to end.
> >
> >IMHO,
> >Steve Orr
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:06 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >systems
> >
> >
> >That's why they say that SAC/NORAD ( Strategic
> >Air Command HQ, North American Defense ) buried
> >deep into a mountain in Colorado is a "single point
> >of failure" for the US NationalDefense:
> >
> >All it takes is a direct hit by one nuclear
> >bomb to bring down the whole facility! :-)
> >
> >In the words of the Marathon Man's tormentor:
> >
> >"Is it safe?"
> >
> ><evil laughter>
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 7:45 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >Sorry Ross. Yes I am familiar with enterprise
> >class storage systems.
> >
> >It still isn't HA.
> >
> >It only takes one bumbling SA ( or DBA ) to bring
> >the system down, one neanderthalic techie in the
> >computer room to push the 'OFF' switch.
> >
> >Simultaneous failure of both of the controllers for
> >an array, or of enough disks to bring the array down
> >are not unheard of.
> >
> >Jared
> >
> >On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Mohan, Ross wrote:
> >
> > > I have to say this "disk is a single point of failure"
> > > is jangling to the cognitive logic subsystem.
> > >
> > > Why?
> > >
> > > Well, the disk farms i have seen have redundant controllers,
> > > with redundant channels, TRIPLE power supplies, at least a
> > > single mirror with dual porting. There's your "single" disk
> > > point of failure for you.
> > >
> > > Now, try this: Take your two "redundant" nodes....put them
> > > in a really really big rack and then inside ONE big box. <G>
> > >
> > > Are the two nodes ( which now have at least redundant CPUs,
> > > power supplies, etc. ) a "single point of failure"?
> > >
> > > Come on, guys, if you've worked with this stuff a bunch you know:
> > >
> > > (a) properly configured diskfarms have a great MTBF, better
> > > than the other hardware, and
> > > (b) to REALLY answer Mary's class of questions, you need to
> > > calculate MTBFs and MTTRs.
> > >
> > > The rest is armchair clustering!
> > >
> > > hope this pertains,
> > >
> > > Ross Mohan
> > >
> > > p.s. HA is the latest marketspeak for "failover" or "redundant" or
> > > whatever...
> > > please try to browse a copy of "In Search of Clusters" by Gregory
> >Pfister
> > > from
> > > IBM. It's a cult classic, a helluva fun read, and one of the best
> > > thought-out
> > > technical books i have ever seen, period.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 2:00 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mary,
> > >
> > > OPS is not an HA solution. While you may still have
> > > an instance running if a node goes down, the storage
> > > medium is still a single point of failure.
> > >
> > > Jared
> > >
> > > On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Ruiz, Mary A (CAP, CDI) wrote:
> > >
> > > > I need a little advice. We have a fairly new (< 1 year) 8.1.5
> >instance
> > > to
> > > > support my company's internet business. We recently changed our
> >network
> > > > solutions provider and now my management wants to achieve a higher
> >level
> > > of
> > > > redundancy than it currently does with mirrored disks. The solution
> >being
> > > > proposed by my Sysadmin is an Oracle Parallel Server solution. Some
> > > > background is in order here - we have always shut our databases down
> >at
> > > > night for backups. I am not highly skilled in backup and recovery
> > > although
> > > > I tried some of the hot backup techniques from this list and was
>able
> >to
> > > > recover successfully to another server. I noticed that the course
> >offered
> > > > by Oracle in OPS has backup and recovery as well as performance
>tuning
> >as
> > > > pre-requisites, which indicates to me that OPS could be extremely
> > > > challenging. Also, I have read mainly unfavorable comments about
>OPS
> >from
> > > > this list, but most of those comments were based on the Oracle 7
> > > > implementations (High administrative costs, difficult to implement,
> >etc.).
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Have things improved with Oracle 8i ? Is OPS worth pursuing? Or
> >should
> >I
> > > > convince my management that extra $$ spent in, say, a hot standby
> >database
> > > > is well worth it? Is there any other solution that would not
>involve
> >a
> > > > second set of disks, rather a second database on the same set of
>disks
> >??
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > Mary Ruiz / Atlanta
> > > >
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