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RE: Oracle on NT vs Oracle on LinuxHello Satar,
Interesting response.
Balance of reply inline.
>> Hi Chuck...=20 >>=20 >> My Bad, I should have stated that "two reasons, of many, for =choosing Linux over NT is it's free and they provide the source code".=20 >> You're right, there are so many other reasons why to choose Linux = over NT. I wasn't being fair to Linux by only stating two reasons.
Again, I am no fan of M$ or NT, but Linux has plenty of issues of its =
own. Among these: =20
1. Hardware support while improving is still somewhat problematic =
(especially in the areas of SCSI/RAID controllers, network interface =
cards, display adapters). =20
2. SMP support is immature at best. =20
3. Oracle on Linux is still very much a work in progress. Linux is not =
a full-fledged tier 1 platform yet.
4. Very limited choice of tools for managing Oracle on Linux. 5. Suppport for clustering is immature at best. 6. Hardware vendor support while improving is still somewhat =problematic.
>>=20
>> 2. If you told your boss/management/client that you could use Linux, =
instead of NT, in their business environment and that it will save=20
>> them a lot of money in NT licensing/admin/hardware costs, they will =
laugh at you? really?
>>=20
>> 3. If free access to source code wasn't a major factor to a majority =
of customers, then why has Sun Microsystems released their=20
>> source code? If you're a new startup company, chances are you are =
using Solaris or Linux with Oracle.=20
>> The source code will allow the customers to develop and tune their =
apps with the OS and create new companies/products=20
>> with new Apps geared towards the growth of the OS.=20
>>=20
>> 4. Isn't support for Red Hat only 40 bucks (US Dollars) a year?=20
RedHat offers several support programs. Incident based support is $299 = per incident. Last I heard, RedHat hourly support is > $100 per hour = (25 hour minimum on an annual basis) it may be more expensive now. = There are also per server annual support agreements available, pricing = varies based upon number of servers. Hourly support from LinuxCare is = $180 per hour.
Regards,
Chuck
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Satar,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Interesting response.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Balance of reply inline.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>> Hi Chuck... <BR>>> =
<BR>>> My=20
Bad, I should have stated that "two reasons, of many, for choosing =
Linux=20
over NT is it's free and they provide the source code". <BR>>> =
You're=20
right, there are so many other reasons why to choose Linux over NT. I =
wasn't=20
being fair to Linux by only stating two reasons.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Again, I am no fan of M$ or NT, but =
Linux has=20
plenty of issues of its own. Among these: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1.</FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2> Hardware=20
support while improving is still somewhat problematic (especially in the =
areas=20
of SCSI/RAID controllers, network interface cards, display =
adapters). =20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2.</FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
SMP support is=20
immature at best. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. Oracle on Linux is still very much a =
work in=20
progress. Linux is not a full-fledged tier 1 platform =
yet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4. Very limited choice of tools =
for managing=20
Oracle on Linux.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>5. Suppport for clustering is =
immature at=20
best.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>6. Hardware vendor support while =
improving is=20
still somewhat problematic.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> </DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>> <BR>>> 2. If you told =
your=20
boss/management/client that you could use Linux, instead of NT, in their =
business environment and that it will save <BR>>> them a lot of =
money in=20
NT licensing/admin/hardware costs, they will laugh at you?=20
really?<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. OS licensing is a very small =
part of total=20
system cost. Lets assume a very simple scenario: Departmental =
application server for a marketing department with 50 users: =
Midrange=20
Intel-based database server (Compaq Proliant DL 580, 4x700MHz Pentium =
III, 1.5=20
GB RAM, 5x18.2 GB Disk, Dual NICs, approx $35K). Named user Oracle =
licensing 8i Release 2 (RDBMS only), 93 named user required minimum, =
$46K after=20
discount. So far, you've spent $81K, now suppose you recommend =
they run=20
this machine using the free download version of RedHat Linux 6.2 with =
support=20
via listserv and newsgroup...do you really think they will take you=20
seriously? BTW, NT 4 for such a machine would be $795 (assuming no =
file or=20
print sharing). At a bare minimum, I would suggest they go with =
RedHat=20
Professional Server $180, at least they would have 30 days of phone =
installation=20
support and 90 days of web-based installation support. Ok, you've =
saved=20
them $600 in OS in OS software acquisition costs. But wait, RedHat =
Enterprise Edition Server for Oracle 8i is $2500 and it includes =
such=20
"nice to haves" as large file support, hardware RAID support, SMP =
support, 1=20
year of business hours support on a per system basis, (if you want to =
support=20
additional systems, you'll need additional licenses).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. I'm not sure where you are =
seeing any=20
admin cost savings. Unix administrators (including Linux) =
generally=20
command higher salaries than do NT administrators.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. I'm not sure where you are =
seeing any=20
hardware cost savings. You're going to need a pretty =
substantial box=20
to run 8i Release 2 on either Linux or NT.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>4. Total cost of ownership =
of Linux vs=20
NT is still subject to considerable debate.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>5. If you want OEM or some other =
"standard"=20
management tools, you're still going to need a pretty hefty NT =
box.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>> <BR>>> 3. If free access =
to source=20
code wasn't a major factor to a majority of customers, then why has Sun=20
Microsystems released their <BR>>> source code? If you're a new =
startup=20
company, chances are you are using Solaris or Linux with Oracle. =
<BR>>>=20
The source code will allow the customers to develop and tune their apps =
with the=20
OS and create new companies/products <BR>>> with new Apps geared =
towards=20
the growth of the OS. <BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. Sun has NOT made a general =
release of=20
their source code. You don't receive Solaris source =
code simply=20
by purchasing a copy of Solaris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. Sun's Community Source License =
(SCSL)=20
program is limited to specific Sun technologies, most of them related to =
Java. The Solaris operating system is not included in this=20
program. Solaris 8 source code is covered by a different =
source=20
licensing program which is much more restrictive. At present, the =
Solaris=20
8 source license program is open only to existing Solaris =
source=20
licensees, and current source contract holders. These programs are =
geared=20
toward registered developers, ISVs and large customers with special =
needs, not=20
the Sun customer community at large.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. Sun has by no means jumped on =
the open=20
source bandwagon. They still retain a great deal of proprietary =
control=20
over their source code, and they require confidentiality on the part of =
source=20
code holders.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4. SCSL is motivated primarily by =
Sun's=20
business needs in the following areas: speed to market with Sun =
technology=20
improvements, speed to market with new commercial products based upon =
Sun=20
technologies. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>> <BR>>> 4. Isn't support =
for Red Hat=20
only 40 bucks (US Dollars) a year? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>RedHat offers several support =
programs. =20
Incident based support is $299 per incident. Last I heard, RedHat =
hourly=20
support is > $100 per hour (25 hour minimum on an annual basis) it =
may be=20
more expensive now. There are also per server annual support =
agreements=20
available, pricing varies based upon number of servers. Hourly =
support=20
Received on Thu Oct 05 2000 - 06:38:09 CDT
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