RE: Tell me about the confused OCP.

From: Siva_Chintalapati <Siva_Chintalapati_at_satyam.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:51:37 +0530
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HI,
I want to do OCP .Till now I did not take any exam for OCP.Can U please upgrade me the Material I have to follow and the Site available for this material,so that I can down load.Or can I get manuals for Oracle 8.I am interested to take over the OCP exam on Oracle 8.What are the papers and what is the material I have to follow.Please update me the earliest.

Thanks & Regards
Siva

> ----------
> From: Surendra_Tirumala[SMTP:Surendra_Tirumala_at_hht.satyam.com]
> Reply To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 1:25 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Tell me about the confused OCP.
>
> Here is the reply from Oracle to my mail regarding validity of the
> certification
>
>
> ====================================================
> From: webteam <webteam_at_us.oracle.com> Save Address - Block Sender
> Reply-To: webteam_at_us.oracle.com
> To: sutirumala_at_hotmail.com Save Address
> Subject: Re: validity of Oracle7.3 DBA OCP certification
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:26:38 -0700
> Reply Reply All Forward Delete Previous Next Close
>
>
> If you are already certified in Oracle7.3 you have a valid certification.
> Just because we are expiring the Oracle7.3 exams on August 31, 2000
> it does not affect the validity of your cetification. If you want to
> upgrade
> to Oracle8 OCP, you need to pass just one exams titled: "Oracle8 New
> Features
> for Administrators".
> To upgrade to Oracle8i, after you pass the Oracle8 New Features for
> Administrators exam, you need to pass just
> one more exam titled "Oracle8i New Features for Database Administrators".
>
> Surendra.Tirumala_at_us.oracle.com wrote:
>
> > The following person responded on the web:
> >
> > Name: Surendra Tirumala
> > Email Address: sutirumala_at_hotmail.com
> > Subject of Message:
> >
> > Page where user experienced problem:
> >
> > Feedback:
> > I am a Oracle 7.3 certified DBA.I completed my certification on
> 02-dec-2000.I
> am in confusion about validity of my certificate.I am planning to take up
> Oracle
> 8 and 8i upgradation exams after three months time from now.I would like
> to know
> whether I will be given the credit of taking only upgradation exams any
> time of
> my choice.
> > Please clarify...
> > regards,
> > surendra
> >
> =========================================================
>
> ----------
> From: Janardhana Babu
> Reply To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 4:39 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Tell me about the confused OCP.
>
> Iam under the impression that I need to upgrade my certification
> before the
> older version expires. Actually, I saw the expiration date(August 2000)
> for
> Oracle7exam, and I upgraded to Oracle8 in Jan this year. When contacted,
> they told me that I need too upgrade to Oracle8 before Aug 2000. If failed
>
> to upgrade before Aug 2000, my certification would be invalid and I need
> to
> take all the Oracle 8 exams(6, I believe) to get into the certification
> path
> again. Also, they said, I need to take Oracle8 upgrade exam and then only
> eligible to take oracle8i upgrade exam and I can't bypass oracle8 upgrade
> exam and take oracle8i upgrade exam. directly from oracle7 cert.
>
> My question is, after a few years oracle stops offering oracle8 upgrade
> exam( just like Oracle7 exam), then how can I appear for Oracle8i upgrade
> exam if I have only Oracle7 cert and not Oracle8 cert? Since it is not
> possible to bypass oracle8 upgrade exam inorder to get oracle8i cert., it
> will be of no use to hold oracle7 cert. which automatically force you to
> take all the oracle8i or 9i exams at some point in time. Let me know if
> what I think is wrong.
>
> -- Janardhana Babu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 2:57 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
> Janardhan,
> I was also in the same impression two months back.
> I sent mail to Oracle (i don't remeber the exact address now) requesting
> clarification reg this.
> They clearly replied stating what I had mentioned in my earlier reply.
> I have that reply also with me in my hotmail account which I cannot access
>
> now.I had forwarded that mail to some of my friends.
>
> I will try to get it and post it over here.
>
> Surendra
> OCP DBA
>
> ----------
> Reply To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 1:26 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
> I do not think the certification is valid forever. We need
> to take
> the
> upgrade exam before your certification expires. The expiration dates will
> be
>
> available at http://education.oracle.com <
> http://education.oracle.com> <
> http://education.oracle.com < http://education.oracle.com> >
> After the expiration date, we need to start all over again to get the
> certification. Let me know if Iam wrong.
>
> -- Janardhana Babu
> OCP DBA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 12:18 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
> Xiaoliang Chen,
> Once you are certfied in any particular stream( 7/8/8i), your
> certification
> is valid forever.And whenever you want to take up the upgradation exam
> just
> take it.
>
> Best thing for you is to go for 8 stream and later you can
> think of
> taking
> up 8i upgradation.My observation is that it is much difficult to clear 8i
> exam directly because of so many new features.
>
> Surendra
>
> ----------
> Reply To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:46 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
> hi, all,
>
> I decide to pass my OCP DBA in two months. But I do
> not if I
>
> directly choose
> Oracle8i test package or choose Oracle8 test package and then have a
> Oracle8i new features test.
>
> One of my friend said this to me:
> Let me tell you why it is not good to do oracle 8i at the moment.
> 1. It will cost you a lot since no one has the stuff for oracle 8i and is
> selling it on the net.
> 2. the market will not revert to oracle 8i before a couple of years,
> because mosst companies recently migrated from oracle 7.3 to oracle 8
> 3. if you do oracle 8 and give the upgrade exam you will have two
> certification. oracle 8 dba and 8i dba.
>
> I am afraid I could hardly get Exam crams about
> Oracle8i at
> this
> time. Maybe
> I should first pass the Oracle8 and then pass the upgrate test.
> But someone tell me one must pass the upgrate test in 6 months from the
> day
> the new version was coming up. Which mean if Oracle8i was coming up on
> 01/01/00, I have to pass the upgrate test from Oracle8 to Oracle8i before
> 07/01/00. That mean I could not the upgrate test.....I am so
> confused....help me!
> What is your all 's suggestion? Please give me a reply. Your reply will be
>
> fully appreciated.
>
> Best wishes!
> Yours sincerely, Xiaoliang Chen
> ___________________________________
> SUN certified Solaris7 System Administrator
>
>
>
> --
> Author: Xiaoliang Chen
> INET: ochen_at_netrue.com
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HI, I want to do OCP = .Till now I did not take any exam for OCP.Can U please upgrade me the = Material I have to follow and the Site available for this material,so = that I can down load.Or can I get manuals for Oracle 8.I am interested = to take over the OCP exam on Oracle 8.What are the papers and what is = the material I have to follow.Please update me the earliest.

Thanks & = Regards

<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Siva</FONT>
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Serif">Surendra_Tirumala[SMTP:Surendra_Tirumala_at_hht.satyam.com] Reply To: =       ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
 Sent:   = Friday, July 14, 2000 1:25 = AM
 To: =     Multiple = recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: =        RE: Tell me about the confused OCP.

Here is the reply = from Oracle to my mail regarding=A0 validity of the = certification

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If you are already = certified in Oracle7.3 you have a valid certification. 
 Just because we are = expiring the Oracle7.3 exams on August 31, 2000 
 it does not affect = the validity of your cetification.=A0 If you want to = upgrade to Oracle8 OCP, you = need to pass just one exams titled: "Oracle8 New = Features for = Administrators". To upgrade to = Oracle8i, after you pass the Oracle8 New Features for 
 Administrators = exam, you need to pass just one more exam = titled "Oracle8i New Features for Database Administrators".</F= ONT>

Surendra.Tirumala_at_us.oracle.com wrote:

> The following = person responded on the web: > 
 > = Name:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Surendra = Tirumala > Email = Address:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 sutirumala_at_hotmail.com 
 > Subject of = Message: > 
 > Page where = user experienced problem: > 
 > = Feedback: > I am a Oracle = 7.3 certified DBA.I completed my certification on = 02-dec-2000.I am in confusion = about validity of my certificate.I am planning to take up = Oracle 8 and 8i = upgradation exams after three months time from now.I would like to = know whether I will be = given the credit of taking only upgradation exams any time = of 
 my = choice. > Please = clarify... > = regards, > = surendra >

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FACE=3D"Arial"> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 RE: Tell me about the confused OCP.

Iam under the impression that I need to upgrade my = certification before the older version expires. Actually, I = saw the expiration date(August 2000) for = 
 Oracle7exam, and I upgraded to = Oracle8 in Jan this year. When contacted, = 
 they told me that I need too upgrade = to Oracle8 before Aug 2000. If failed = 
 to upgrade before Aug 2000, my = certification would be invalid and I need to 
 take all the Oracle 8 exams(6, I = believe) to get into the certification path = 
 again. Also, they said, I need to = take Oracle8 upgrade exam and then only = 
 eligible to take oracle8i upgrade = exam and I can't bypass oracle8 upgrade =

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">exam and take oracle8i upgrade exam. =
directly from oracle7 cert.</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">=A0</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"> =

My question is, after a few years = oracle stops offering oracle8 upgrade = 
 exam( just like Oracle7 exam), then = how can I appear for Oracle8i upgrade = 
 exam if I have only Oracle7 cert and = not Oracle8 cert? Since it is not possible to bypass oracle8 upgrade = exam inorder to get oracle8i cert., it = 
 will be of no use to hold oracle7 = cert. which automatically force you to = 
 take all the oracle8i or 9i exams at = some point in time.=A0 Let me know if = 
 what I think is wrong.

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">=A0</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"> =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-- Janardhana Babu</FONT><FONT =

FACE=3D"Arial">

-----Original Message----- = 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 2:57 = PM 
 To: Multiple recipients of list = ORACLE-L

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Janardhan,=20
 I was also in the same impression two = months back.=20
 I sent mail to Oracle (i don't = remeber the exact address now) requesting =

</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">clarification reg this.</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">They clearly replied stating what I =

had mentioned in my earlier reply.=20 I have that reply also with me in my = hotmail account which I cannot access = 
 now.I had forwarded that mail to some = of my friends.

I will try to get it and post it over here.=20

Surendra=20
 OCP DBA=20

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ----------=20
 Reply To:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com=20

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Sent:=A0=A0 Thursday, July 13, 2000 =
1:26 AM</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">To:=A0=A0=A0=A0 Multiple recipients =

of list ORACLE-L=20

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I do not think the certification is valid forever. We =

need to take</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">the</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">upgrade exam before your =

certification expires. The expiration dates will be

<FONT SIZE=3D2 =

FACE=3D"Arial">available at</FONT><U><FONT =
FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></U><U> <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"><A HREF=3D"http://education.oracle.com" =

TARGET=3D"_blank">http://education.oracle.com</A><FONT =

SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></U><U> <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"><A HREF=3D"http://education.oracle.com" =

TARGET=3D"_blank">http://education.oracle.com</A>>=A0 < = 
 <A = HREF=3D"http://education.oracle.com" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://education.oracle.com</A><FONT =

SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> &lt;</FONT><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"></FONT></U><U> <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"><A HREF=3D"http://education.oracle.com" =

TARGET=3D"_blank">http://education.oracle.com</A>> >=20 After the expiration date, we need to = start all over again to get the=20 certification. Let me know if Iam = wrong.=20

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">=A0</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">-- Janardhana Babu</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">OCP DBA</FONT>=20
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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -----Original Message-----=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 12:18 = PM=20
 To: Multiple recipients of list = ORACLE-L=20

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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Xiaoliang Chen,=20 Once you are certfied in any = particular stream( 7/8/8i), your certification=20 is valid forever.And whenever you = want to take up the upgradation exam just=20 take it.=20

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Best thing for you is to go for 8 stream and later you =

can think of</FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">taking</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">up 8i upgradation.My observation is =

that it is much difficult to clear 8i=20 exam directly because of so many new = features.=20

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Surendra=20

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ----------=20 Reply To:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com=20
 Sent:=A0=A0 Wednesday, July 12, 2000 = 11:46 PM=20
 To:=A0=A0=A0=A0 Multiple recipients = of list ORACLE-L=20

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 hi, all,=20

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I decide to pass my OCP DBA in two = months. But I do not if I

directly choose=20 Oracle8i test package or choose = Oracle8 test package and then have a=20 Oracle8i new features test.=20

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 One of my friend said this to = me:=20

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Let me tell you why it is not good to =
do oracle 8i at the moment.</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">1. It will cost you a lot since no =

one has the stuff for oracle 8i and is=20 selling it on the net.=20 2. the=A0 market will not revert to = oracle 8i before a couple of years,=20 because mosst companies recently = migrated from oracle 7.3 to oracle 8=20 3. if you do oracle 8 and give the = upgrade exam you will have two=20 certification. oracle 8 dba and 8i = dba.=20

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 I am afraid I could hardly get = Exam crams about Oracle8i at

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">this</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">time. Maybe</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I should first pass the Oracle8 and =

then pass the upgrate test.=20
 But someone tell me one must pass the = upgrate test in 6 months from the day=20 the new version was coming up. Which = mean if Oracle8i was coming up on=20 01/01/00, I have to pass the upgrate = test from Oracle8 to Oracle8i before=20 07/01/00. That mean I could not the = upgrate test.....I am so=20
 confused....help me!=20 What is your all 's suggestion? = Please give me a reply. Your reply will be=20 fully appreciated.=20

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Best wishes!=20

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Yours sincerely, Xiaoliang =
Chen</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">___________________________________</FONT>=20

SUN certified Solaris7 System = Administrator=20

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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Author: Xiaoliang Chen</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">=A0 INET: ochen_at_netrue.com</FONT>=20
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