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Baby Names - who's right [message #173251] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 00:50 |
rleishman
Messages: 3728 Registered: October 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Expecting my second child in July and am looking into boy's names.
In the name-book, I found Phinneas - Hebrew for "Oracle". OK, so we're not Jewish, but I reckon it's a top name. Wife doesn't agree.
Quick vote...
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Re: Baby Names - who's right [message #173298 is a reply to message #173251] |
Sun, 21 May 2006 11:17 |
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Barbara Boehmer
Messages: 9101 Registered: November 2002 Location: California, USA
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I agree with your wife. Whatever name you choose should be something agreeable to both of you. If you are not Jewish, why give your child a Hebrew name? Think of whether the name is something that the child will like both as a child and as an adult. Sometimes it is nice to have something a bit unusual or unique, so as not to be confused with others, but not so strange that other kids will make fun of it. I do not, for example, approve of the name "Chastity Bono" that Cher named her daughter. If I were that kid, as soon as I was old enough to do so, I would legally change my name and ask that others call me the planned new name until I could do so or maybe use the first initial and middle name or some such thing.
In one of my ninth grade classes, we sat alpabetically, Barbara Bierman, Barbara Boehmer, Barbara Brown, and Barbara Carrasco, 4 Barbaras, including 3 Barbara B's. There are at least several other Barbara Boehmer's in this world. I know this because I have either heard of them or received an e-mail or seen things about them on the internet. I was at a veterinary office once where I received some very strange treatment and ultimately found out that there is a veterinarian with the same name as me and they apparently assumed, incorrectly, that I was trying to impersonate her for some unknown reason. It apparently never occurred to them that I was just another person with the same name who brought her cat to the vet. They were very nasty to me, without explaining why. I didn't realize what the problem was, until my regular vet that had referred me to the specialist explained it. There have been people arrested because someone else with the same name had a warrant for their arrest. In situations like these, it is nice to have a unique name that is not likely to be mistaken for others.
So, you're an Oracle fan, but is it appropriate to name a child after it or are you just joking? Why not name him after an admired relative or friend? What other names are you considering? What about girls' names or has your wife had a sonogram and you know that it is a boy. You might choose something unique as a formal name and use a shortened nickname for informal purposes. You might also consider what the resulting initials would be.
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Re: Baby Names - who's right [message #174207 is a reply to message #173251] |
Fri, 26 May 2006 08:18 |
smartin
Messages: 1803 Registered: March 2005 Location: Jacksonville, Florida
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I don't know, it isn't that bad. I agree with Barbara's points though, that it be agreeable to both (although as we guys know, things in life often only have to be agreeable to the misses), and it has advantages to not be an ultra common name.
Personally I like names with flexibility, something that can have various nicknames or abbreviated names. Something with options for the kid to go by. Not as a suggestion, but just an example that pops to mind, with Nathaniel you have Nathan and Nate and Thaniel and Natty and Nat.
But at the same time, do some serious googling research on the name, particularly if it is unusual, to see what else your specific spelling would imply.
As far as the picked on bit...that is a fine line. In one strange sense, having a tough name, one likely to draw attention, might help establish toughness and character as he grows up. But if you cross the line, then it is just crazy and you are just wishing for him to get his butt kicked every day at school. Those sorts of things also depend on how tall / big you and your wife are, and therefore how likely your son will be a big kid will less to fear.
Crazy to have all these thoughts on such a seemingly simple topic. What name did your wife want again?
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Re: Baby Names - who's right [message #174221 is a reply to message #174207] |
Fri, 26 May 2006 10:08 |
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Barbara Boehmer
Messages: 9101 Registered: November 2002 Location: California, USA
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Here are the lyrics to "A Boy Named Sue" for anyone who is not familiar with the song.
My daddy left home when I was three
And he didn't leave much to ma and me
Just this old guitar and an empty bottle of booze.
Now, I don't blame him cause he run and hid
But the meanest thing that he ever did
Was before he left, he went and named me "Sue."
Well, he must o' thought that is quite a joke
And it got a lot of laughs from a' lots of folk,
It seems I had to fight my whole life through.
Some gal would giggle and I'd get red
And some guy'd laugh and I'd bust his head,
I tell ya, life ain't easy for a boy named "Sue."
Well, I grew up quick and I grew up mean,
My fist got hard and my wits got keen,
I'd roam from town to town to hide my shame.
But I made a vow to the moon and stars
That I'd search the honky-tonks and bars
And kill that man who gave me that awful name.
Well, it was Gatlinburg in mid-July
And I just hit town and my throat was dry,
I thought I'd stop and have myself a brew.
At an old saloon on a street of mud,
There at a table, dealing stud,
Sat the dirty, mangy dog that named me "Sue."
Well, I knew that snake was my own sweet dad
From a worn-out picture that my mother'd had,
And I knew that scar on his cheek and his evil eye.
He was big and bent and gray and old,
And I looked at him and my blood ran cold
And I said: "My name is 'Sue!' How do you do!
Now your gonna die!!"
Well, I hit him hard right between the eyes
And he went down, but to my surprise,
He come up with a knife and cut off a piece of my ear.
But I busted a chair right across his teeth
And we crashed through the wall and into the street
Kicking and a' gouging in the mud and the blood and the beer.
I tell ya, I've fought tougher men
But I really can't remember when,
He kicked like a mule and he bit like a crocodile.
I heard him laugh and then I heard him cuss,
He went for his gun and I pulled mine first,
He stood there lookin' at me and I saw him smile.
And he said: "Son, this world is rough
And if a man's gonna make it, he's gotta be tough
And I knew I wouldn't be there to help ya along.
So I give ya that name and I said goodbye
I knew you'd have to get tough or die
And it's the name that helped to make you strong."
He said: "Now you just fought one hell of a fight
And I know you hate me, and you got the right
To kill me now, and I wouldn't blame you if you do.
But ya ought to thank me, before I die,
For the gravel in ya guts and the spit in ya eye
Cause I'm the son-of-a-bitch that named you "Sue.'"
I got all choked up and I threw down my gun
And I called him my pa, and he called me his son,
And I came away with a different point of view.
And I think about him, now and then,
Every time I try and every time I win,
And if I ever have a son, I think I'm gonna name him
Bill or George! Anything but Sue! I still hate that name!
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Re: Baby Names - who's right [message #174390 is a reply to message #173251] |
Mon, 29 May 2006 01:34 |
dushyant
Messages: 74 Registered: September 2005
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hi
Advanced congrats to you and your wife
Good to know people like oracle and like to name their sweet heart after it. Obviously u dont want to name a tongue twister for your child (Schwarznegger,Schweneberg).
If ur not jewish, then why name ur child in hebrew, its confusing and misleading and to an extent may be not permissible as well(just for discussion can u think of naming ur child in Arabic when you are a christian) there are more beautiful names for oracle in other languages as well, try to do R&D
Hope ur kid grows to become a superstar
All The Best
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Re: Baby Names - who's right [message #174662 is a reply to message #174390] |
Tue, 30 May 2006 03:53 |
rleishman
Messages: 3728 Registered: October 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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dushyant wrote on Mon, 29 May 2006 16:34 | just for discussion can u think of naming ur child in Arabic when you are a christian
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On the same basis, would you consider it strange for a non-Irish person to name their boy Sean or Patrick, or a non-Greek to name their girl Helen?
Jacob (granted, the spelling has changed from the Hebrew) was the most common boy's name in Australia (2004) where Jews are very much a minority.
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Re: Baby Names - who's right [message #175266 is a reply to message #173251] |
Thu, 01 June 2006 08:10 |
smartin
Messages: 1803 Registered: March 2005 Location: Jacksonville, Florida
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Null is better than "Boy" (you know, Tarzan), at least from a relational database standpoint. Rather than throwing in some made up value for a name as Tarzan did (he obviously never worked with a "real" database, probably a microsoft access guy all his life), null would indicate the true absence of value.
But...shouldn't the name field be non nullable?
(oh, and I bet I can predict the wife's answer)
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Re: Baby Names - who's right [message #175295 is a reply to message #175266] |
Thu, 01 June 2006 10:00 |
Frank
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Problem with Null as a name is that it is a paradox. As soon as you name him Null, his name will be known and no longer be Null, leaving him with no name, whence Null...
Wouldn't tell the wife this..
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Re: Baby Names - who's right [message #175406 is a reply to message #175295] |
Fri, 02 June 2006 03:03 |
rleishman
Messages: 3728 Registered: October 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Well, with an L-surname, I can always go for N.U.L.L. initials. Or better yet: S.Q.L.
DML, DDL, limitless opportunities.
And for the mainfraim buffs: JCL, COBOL....
Still waiting for my wife's feedback on the Null idea. Strangely, she's not talking to me at the moment...? Not sure why.
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Re: Baby Names - who's right [message #175509 is a reply to message #173251] |
Fri, 02 June 2006 09:47 |
smartin
Messages: 1803 Registered: March 2005 Location: Jacksonville, Florida
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I like the initials idea...my last name starts with M, which also has options. I'll have to keep that in mind if/when we have another kid.
Might be best not to mention the initial part though to the mrs, but I'd probably tell her anyway if nothing else to watch her reaction.
Speaking of initials, an old friend of mine (well, his wife), named their son Alexander. They gave a middle name of Steven. And, unfortunately for the little one, his last name also starts with S.
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