Re: Oracle On Compaq Server

"Syltrem" <syltremzulu_at_videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<FS01c.520$Xy3.1971_at_tor-nn1.netcom.ca>...
> It's nice to hear that it works well (very well from the looks of it) for
> you.
> Problem is, you can't get the best out of those windoze machines from what I
> can see.
>
> I have OpenVMS running Oracle, Gembase 4GL, Progress rdbms & 4GL, Basic,

Gonna be going to Gembase 7 any time soon? How 'bout that Oracle optimizer, eh?

> Fortran, Cobol, Powerhouse 4GL, Apache, Pathworks (VMS becomes an active
> Windows domain member with this), etc, about 500 users, all on the same
> machine.
> I can install new software or patches to existing software (in a new home
> for the latter) without a need for a reboot and without affecting the
> running applications and users. I don't care about viruses and daily
> security patches.

http://www.arabtrust.com/support/sophosfaqvms.html#1.1

From the virus-l faq:

"As of January 1995 there were about 5,600 PC viruses, about 150 Amiga viruses, about 100 Acorn Archimedes viruses, about 45 Macintosh viruses,
several Atari ST viruses, a few Apple II viruses, four Unix viruses, three MS Windows viruses, at least two OS/2 viruses and two VMS DCLbased  viruses."

And I distinctly remember some jokey virus making the rounds in the early '80s. Not much to worry about, I agree.

>
> We too have a bunch of Windows boxes, each doing its own task (exchange,
> McAfee, IIS). But don't ever try to have one box running multiple softwares,
> you'll start to have (more) problems. You can pile up windows servers, but
> I'd rather have just one machine to care about, knowing it will not crash on
> me or ask for a reboot every time I touch it with an install or just config
> change.
>
> I don't want to start an OS war but the fact is, windows is not made to run
> too many things on one machine, there are too many conflicts of all sorts
> that can happen. Install one little thing (a printer driver can be enough -
> I've seen it happen) and you may have to reinstall the whole machine from
> scratch because it broke something hidden in the registry or else, causing a
> conflict with your business application. That's why I won't trust it for
> software my business is dependant upon to survive.

So what does Oracle do? Makes you run more than one machine and calls it a feature!

>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Syltrem
>
> OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4
> http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en français)
> ---zulu is not in my email address---
> "Frank van Bortel" <fvanbortel_at_netscape.net> a écrit dans le message de
> news:c206ss$lek$1_at_news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
> > Niall Litchfield wrote:
> >
> > > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu_at_videotron.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:eLI%b.329$Xy3.938_at_tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
> > >
> > >>"Niall Litchfield" <niall.litchfield_at_dial.pipex.com> a écrit dans le
> > >
> > > message
> > >
> > >>de news:403e6f69$0$49$cc9e4d1f_at_news.dial.pipex.com...
> > >>
> > >>>"Daniel Morgan" <damorgan_at_x.washington.edu> wrote in message
> > >>>news:1077814602.488439_at_yasure...
> > >>>
> > >>>>We're talking Oracle here not MS Word. Do you really want your
> > >>>>production database running on a platform where at least once a
> > >>>>week you are instructed to apply a security patch and reboot?
> > >>>
> > >>>I have no problem with running production databases on Windows.
> > >
> > > scheduling
> > >
> > >>>maintenance windows is perfectly fine by me.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>It's funny how people are willing to spend time rebooting windows and
> > >>installing patches, sometimes a couple' times per week. And this is seen
> > >
> > > at
> > >
> > >>"normal" maintenance.
> > >>I'm pretty sure the same people wouldn't accept to go to the mechanic to
> > >
> > > fix
> > >
> > >>their car (or TV, or VCR...) that often. Most sure of this indeed.
> > >>
> > >>I have Windows 2000 Pro at home. In the last 52 weeks, it crashed 21
> times
> > >>(maybe 2 of them were because of power failures) and the average uptime
> is
> > >
> > > a
> > >
> > >>little more than 3 days. Longest uptime is 21 days (after which I had to
> > >>reboot due to numerous stupid problems I was starting to get). And I
> > >
> > > *don't*
> > >
> > >>play games, install strange software, or anything considered "risky".
> > >>Strictly terminal emulation, Internet, MS-Office and burning music CDs.
> > >>There's no way I would run a business on such a flimsy OS.
> > >>In the office its the same (Win XP) but I don't collect stats here.
> > >
> > >
> > > I collected some stats for oracle-l when a similar argument was made
> > > recently. For the last 3 months (the period for which I had stats) for
> our 4
> > > business critical systems
> > > System 1 Availability: 99.9945%
> > > System 2 Availability: 99.9816%
> > > System 3 Availability: 99.9926%
> > > System 4 Availability: 100.0000% (but missing a patch or two for other
> > > reasons.)
> > > Gotta like the 4 decimal places uptime.exe reports...
> > >
> > > This isn't intended as a my systems are better than yours diatribe, just
> an
> > > indicator that windows systems can be perfectly available and reliable.

_I_ haven't seen that. In places large and small. With capable people.

> I'd
> > > be prepared to bet that for at least the first year in a *nix
> environment
> > > competent windows sysadmins would produce systems with worse
> availability
> > > stats than their old windows boxes and vice versa.

That I _have_ seen. And I don't blame *nix for it.

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I bet you "behave" on your Windows systems. And with that, I mean you
> > install the OS, possibly take out what you don't need (Outlook, IIS,
> > anyone?), install and run Oracle.
> >
> > No more, no less. No PDC and Exchange, too, no fileserver, anything of
> > that.
> > --
> >
> > Regards,
> > Frank van Bortel
> >

jg

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