Re: whats going on

Sybrand Bakker wrote:

> "shrinad_at_ora-india.com" <daekw_at_yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:afam95$fvs$00$2_at_news.t-online.com...
> > why nobody can read documentation ??
> >
> > most of the questions in this newsgroup are ridiculous !!
> >
> > is the level of the questions in this group comparable with the knowledge
> in
> > the industry ?
> >
> > IT professional saying learning is boring we want just click a round
> >
> > can somebody without technical background, without studying,
> > without sweat and pain achieve something usefull with oracle ( in 3 days
> at
> > the best ) ?
> >
> > question in this group:
> > ( help I cannot operate winzip, for unzipping oracle, I just want to build
> a
> > litte RAC system)
> >
> >
> > no he cannot and this is fine. but me fear is will this fall back to the
> > product Oracle ??
> >
> > I have heard a lot of "professionals" saying, oracle is to hard to work
> for
> > me.
> > I do not like learning, I will tell my boss go for sqlserver, because it
> is
> > "better"
> > for me.
> >
> > Most of the "professionals" want to click a little. Limits of the product
> > are not
> > a concern of these people, because this will net be their personal fault.
> >
> > They can tell their boss, this doesnt work its not my fault. A product
> which
> > is
> > complicated and unlimited like Oracle they do not like, because it would
> be
> > their fault .
> >
> > Also companies like to split their systems in a lot of small databases
> > all working with incompatible applications, and all operated by clueless
> > people.
> >
> > This is not good for Oracle, because this is the microsoft way.
> >
> > Will this change in the future because billions of dollars were spend with
> > nightmare systems, companies IT infrastructure is a utter patchwork today.
> >
> > so what will be the future for Oracle in this environment ???
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Looks like you will be flamed in the next few days.
> Not that those flames are justified, basically you are completely right.
> Most people here
> - are too lazy to read the documentation
> - are too lazy to visit FAQ resources
> - are too lazy to search google
> - only seem to have learned how to cross and multipost
>
> Yet, a small bunch of people, of -say -less than 10 people, answer the same
> questions over and over again.
> Some of them get irritated once in a while and start making cynic and /or
> sarcastic remarks.
> However, those are the people that are constantly faced with the products of
> *completely incompetent* developers, who basically never learnt more than
> how to hit a button, and usually didn't even *learn* SQL. How often I have
> read
> ' in (select distinct bar from foo)', I have stopped counting.
> How often I saw applications bringing a system on it's knees because there
> were full table scans on the largest tables in the application, I stopped
> counting.
> How many extra hours I made because of this (and am currently making) I
> stopped counting (and I can't compensate for them, as my department consists
> of juniors only, who can't handle anything without involving me, or having
> me do it)
>
> I think Larry decided to make Oracle self-tuning just because of those
> incompetent people. Most of those people are likely not going to be
> competent ever. Sometimes I am amazed at the type of questions they ask
> after 2 years of Oracle experience. Basically, they never opened a manual,
> and they still don't open manuals.
> So as far as Oracle is concerned: if you can't beat them, join them.
> Sad but true!
>
> Regards
>
> --
> Sybrand Bakker
> Senior Oracle DBA
>
> to reply remove '-verwijderdit' from my e-mail address

I'd really like to disagree with you on this one ... but to be completely honest I can't.

But unless Larry wants to put his company out of business he has no choice but to compete on the playing field that is the IS/IT marketplace.

The issue in my opinion is similar to that which existed before physicians, lawyers, and accountants were licensed. Any self-annointed hack could call himself a professional and do an incredible amount of damage. And the result is that we have laws to prevent that sort of thing.

We can't all be Tom or Howard or whom-ever any more than every attorney can be appointed to the Supreme Court. But we certainly could use some standard by which competence can be judged. And the OCP and its ilk clearly is not it.

When corporate management gets tired of flushing money down the rat hole and starts appointing IS/IT managers with sufficient compensation to attract people that can do the job of managing technology things will change abruptly. Until then ... corporations get what they pay for.

My advice Sybrand is to do what I did. Stop being anyone's employee. Get consulting gigs and teach. This way I get to choose my customers, choose my projects, and refuse work that is nothing more than high-paid babysitting.

Daniel Morgan Received on Tue Jun 25 2002 - 17:26:22 CDT