Re: Extended RAC on SE
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2015 18:45:56 -0600
Message-ID: <CAAaXtLAYr2Yg+TNaduxuE5gzcgz8EPaihufga0Eq3S1utDgStQ_at_mail.gmail.com>
Yeah. And that "multi-chip module" language is a serious issue too.
Is your CPU a multichip module? How do you know? Its surprisingly hard to find out, even if you *do* know the exact model of CPU.
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Tom Dale <tom.dale_at_fivium.co.uk> wrote:
> I agree Mark,
>
> Finding single-socket servers is indeed tricky!
>
> We have bought many servers from broadberry in the UK, they allow us to
> have SSD's, lsi controllers and 4hr hardware support, at a reasonable
> cost, they do some single socket servers
>
> eg
>
> http://www.broadberry.co.uk/superservers-supermicro-servers/as-1012a-m73rf
>
> Full spec :
>
> http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1u/1018/sys-1018gr-t.cfm
>
> I just configured one
>
> E5-2699 v3 Intel 18 Core Xeon 2.3GHz 45Mb Cache 145 Watts
> 6x 800GB Intel SSD S3500 DataCentre SERIES 2.5IN SATA3 MLC
> LSI MegaRAID 9380-4i4e 12Gb/s SAS/SATA RAID Controller, 1Gb DDR4 Cache,
> with Internal & External Ports
> 10GbE Dual-Port SFP+ (Direct Attached) Server Adapter - Intel E10G42BTDA
> 1st Year 24/7 Support - Up to 4 hours after submission of ticket, up to 5
> incidents per year
>
> £9,618.81 Ex. VAT
>
>
> The E5-2699 v3 Intel 18 Core is a single chip processor, so my
> understanding has always been it only needs one license, but I am no
> licensing expert!
>
> From http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/sig-070616.pdf
>
> When licensing Oracle programs with Standard Edition One or Standard
> Edition in the product name, a processor is counted equivalent to an
> occupied socket; however, in the case of multi-chip modules, each chip in
> the multi-chip module is counted as one occupied socket.
>
> But as Alfredo and Svetoslav have said a change in licensing might make
> this a pointless exercise.
>
> Oh well!
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Mark Brinsmead <mark.brinsmead_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This is true. However, finding single-socket servers can be something of
>> a challenge.
>>
>> The example cited seems to work -- unless that 18-core processor is
>> implemented as a multi-chip-module ;-) -- but the majority of servers these
>> days are equipped with at least two sockets. You'll also need to make
>> certain your single socket server has enough network interfaces.
>>
>> I don't know whether Oracle ever removed the language about multi-chip
>> modules from the OLSA. If they haven't though, it (still) makes license
>> management with SE very tricky.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 3:05 AM, Tom Dale <tom.dale_at_fivium.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> As I read it you can 4 nodes,
>>>
>>>
>>> https://support.oracle.com/epmos/faces/DocumentDisplay?_afrLoop=358910255816631&id=220970.1&_adf.ctrl-state=znnb3zko4_57#A5750
>>>
>>> Oracle Database Standard Edition can only be licensed on servers that
>>> have a maximum capacity of 4 sockets. If licensing by Named User Plus, the
>>> minimum is 5 Named User Plus licenses. Oracle Database Standard Edition,
>>> when used with Oracle Real Application Clusters, may only be licensed on a
>>> single cluster of servers supporting up to a total maximum capacity of 4
>>> sockets.
>>>
>>> *NOTE: This means that the server capacity must meet the restriction
>>> even if the sockets are empty, since they count towards capacity.*
>>>
>>> So if you have 4 single *socket* servers
>>>
>>> eg you could have a single 18 core intel 2600 v3 with 512gb of ram in -
>>>
>>> http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/1018/SYS-1018R-WC0R.cfm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Fernando Andrade <correo_at_fjandrade.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks _at_Joe
>>>> The answer was in the referenced doc. 220970.1
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Sweetser, Joe <JSweetser_at_icat.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Check out Doc ID 220970.1 on MOS/metalink (old school J ).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Short answer is yes but there are a few restrictions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>
>>>>> -joe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org [mailto:
>>>>> oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org] *On Behalf Of *Fernando Andrade
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2015 5:23 PM
>>>>> *To:* Oracle-L Group <oracle-l_at_freelists.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* Extended RAC on SE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi I recieved an extrange request for a client.
>>>>>
>>>>> He wants a extended RAC on SE, I have found this reference googling:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://isu.ifmo.ru/docs/doc111/license.111/b28287/editions.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> "Extended or stretch clusters are not supported with Standard Edition
>>>>> and Oracle RAC. An Extended or stretch cluster is defined as "A cluster
>>>>> where all nodes are not located in the same room"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I havent found this paragraph in the documentation provided by Oracle
>>>>> nor in 11.1, 11.2 or 12.1.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Any one with more information? Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> FJA
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------
>>>>> Fernando Jose Andrade
>>>>> http://www.fjandrade.com
>>>>> 0983032550
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------
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>>>
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>>
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