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Only problem for SAP is that it might be a case of even winning the case
may still be a loss for them. People may not believe them
Oracle only needs to prove the access and some metalink logs may well
show the necessary information. If SAP is proven to have made such
access and remember Oracle can now request some level of access to SAP
systems under their right of evidence discovery albiet limited.
I suspect Oracle has something and Larry felt the lawsuit would have far
more damage to SAP.
The FBI may request access to that information and Larry may well wish
to hand it over in due course.
Remember the FBI would likely take the case underground for a period
whilst they collect evidence etc
Larry will tell the world at every opportunity.
Cheers
Peter
From: Michael Fontana [mailto:MFontana_at_verio.net]
Sent: Monday, 26 March 2007 07:01 AM
To: rgoulet_at_kanbay.com; Rodd.Holman_at_gmail.com; oracle.rdbms_at_gmail.com
Cc: oracle-l
Subject: RE: Oracle Vs SAP Round 1
Any halfway decent lawyer is going to be able to defend SAP. All he has to do is point to language in the support contract permitting access and questioning how Oracle can definitively proof it was being used in an unauthorized fashion - regarless of how much stuff they took or what they did with it afterwards.
And if he's a really good lawyer, he's probably hired an investigator who is going to claim that Oracle has been doing the same thing to SAP servers multiple times in the recent past.
You're right - this thing will drag on for months and years - and likely be settled out of court, if at all.
Shame on Oracle for not putting some kind of governor on the volume of material being downloaded by a single user in a given period.....
Michael Fontana
NTT/Verio
Senior Database Administrator
mfontana_at_verio.net
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From: oracle-l-bounce_at_freelists.org on behalf of Richard J. Goulet
Sent: Fri 3/23/2007 11:06 AM
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Cc: oracle-l
Subject: RE: Oracle Vs SAP Round 1
If you've the resources, and knowledge there are ways to browse through parts of a web site that you "should not have access to". That's how hackers create their "fame". And those tools are available on the web especially if you know where to find them. As far as source code is concerned, if you know the programming environment that created them then de-compiling the code is a lot easier, and there isn't a software vendor out there that does not prohibit decompilition. What is probably going to be the worse of all this is the "guilt by accusation" that's going to occur. People buying software and/or support are going to see this gorilla in the closet & wonder if their getting contaminated software or that the support their expecting simply evaporates. I've seen this happen before, it took what we thought was the best product for the job off of the table even though the case had not yet been heard in court. And I doubt very seriously that this gets resolved before the end of the year.
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 9:59 AM
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Subject: Re: Oracle Vs SAP Round 1
Good question. This appears to be related to the PeopleSoft and JDEdwards apps. Apparently they got in using privileged client access to the help site ??metalink?? and downloaded stuff they shouldn't have.
How they got source code even through that is beyond me.
Sinardy Xing wrote:
> How on earth Oracle source code can be access from out side Oracle
> network?
>
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