the last two projects I have been on we are using client server with .Net. Tons of .net people, verify few database people.
oracle is pushing jdeveloper hard. You need skilled java people to use that.
>
> From: DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM>
> Date: 2003/12/19 Fri AM 09:44:25 EST
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Subject: RE: RE: Career Advice
>
> Viktor, Ryan - Is what you are experiencing the result of companies moving
> to open-systems Web-based architectures?
>
>
>
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:34 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> I agree with Ryan. Pure Oracle jobs aren't hot as they used to be. We are
> going through this right now. They are planning to bring in a bunch of new
> developers and splitting a few DBA's into dev. groups, which means we'll
> become more like software engineers (who can also do DBA stuff). There will
> be only one Prod. DBA for a zillion systems.
>
> They're driving in the direction of bringing in more cross-trained people.
> They want all-aroind people who know Perl, Java, Oracle etc. The motto has
> been: "If you get hit by a bus, he/she can do it". The more you know, the
> better. Cross-training all the way. It's like that all-in-one
> fax/printer/copier thing.
>
> And at the same time, the paycheck isn't as it had been either.
>
>
> Viktor
>
>
> ryan_oracle_at_cox.net wrote:
>
> my biggest concern is the model for development has been changed. The model
> now is do most development with software engineers and have only a small
> number of database people. this means less pure oracle jobs.
> >
> > From: DENNIS WILLIAMS
> > Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 02:59:26 EST
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: RE: Career Advice
> >
> > Ryan - Excellent points. I well know the feeling of being tied to Oracle's
> > future. As to Oracle pricing itself out of the market, I would like to
> make
> > three points:
> > - Pricing is one of the quickest things a vendor can change once it
> > becomes convinced this is hurting it. On the other hand, I've seen
> software
> > vendors that stopped investing in new development. They aren't in business
> > anymore! because you can't quickly change that decision.
> > - Oracle being perceived as high priced tends to increase our salaries. A
> > company spends a lot of money on Oracle, so they want it used to good
> > advantage. The salary surveys I've seen show MS SQL Server DBA with lower
> > salaries on the average.
> > - Has anyone seen salary survey results for MySQL or PostgreSQL? The
> > database is free, so how much should a company spend on a DBA?
> >
> > Dennis Williams
> > DBA
> > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> >
> >
> > your goals should tie into the job market. you might absolutely love
> Pascal
> > programming, but I dont recommend studying it.
> >
> > Right now(and I dont know how it will fluctuate), there is far, far, far
> > more demand for Software Engineers who specialize in Java or .Net. Far,
> far,
> > far, more than people who specialize in the Oracle database. I think there
> > has been a fundamental shift in database development. In the past you
> would
> > hire mostly Oracle specialized people to do most of your development. They
> > would use forms or powerbuilder to do your GUIs.
> >
> > These days, a growing number of teams hire a large number of java or .Net
> > experts and only a handful of database people. is this the best way to go?
> I
> > dont know. I do see a trend though. How long will the trend last? I do not
> > know.
> >
> > The biggest problem for IT workers is that we are so tied to one specific
> > skillset and vendor. If Oracle prices themselves out of the market, our
> > skills become far less valued. Employees today want super specialized
> > skillsets. If you have them and they are hot, your set, but they wont be
> hot
> > forever and i! ts very hard to switch since people want experience in the
> > specific skillset before hiring you.
> > >
> > > From: "Thater, William"
> > > Date: 2003/12/18 Thu PM 01:44:37 EST
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Subject: RE: Career Advice
> > >
> > > DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
> > >
> > > > Saira
> > > > I think you have to decide what your goal is. Then you need to
> > > > decide how to best accomplish that goal. One tool that can lead you
> > > > toward a goal is self-study. I have used that tool many times myself.
> > > > However, with experience you learn the self-study tool has its
> > > > limits. To consider self-study, consider the following questions:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Is this an area that I can gain significant knowledge with a
> > > > reasonable amount of effort? For example, are there good books
> > > > available? Is the area well-defined enough for self-study?
> > > > 2. Since I'm trying to substitute self-effort for work experience, is
> > > > this an area where there are few people with real work experience?
> > > > 3. Are there credentials that can be earned?
> > >
> > > i'd like to add one more...
> > > 4. is this something where getting it right will still give you a charge
> > > after doing it for 10 years or more?
> > >
> > > [and yes DBA and programming still do for me. but i'm finding the
> chances
> > > of being allowed to do it right are becoming few and far between.]
> > >
> > > --
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