RE: Career Advice

> What about books with basic development perspective?

Not sure what you mean by that.

Do you mean development with Perl?

Or just development in general?

If development in general, you can't go wrong with 'Code Complete' by Steve McConnell, Microsoft Press.

This is the best programming book I've ever read, period.

As for Perl, not too much in the way of general programming principals. Best to consider other texts first for that.

Not reading 'Code Complete' is a mistake.

Jared

On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 19:54, Viktor wrote:
> Dennis,
>
> Yes, my thinking is exactly the same. Before I get too much involved with Java (it will be better to take training for Java), I am going to sharpen up my skills with Perl. Should be easier to pick it up, and the learning curve won't be as steep.
>
> Every company reorg probably has more minuses that pluses. In our case the new wants the DBA's to participate in the development processes more like developers, which makes us more or less development DBA's. Writing code will be part of our job. Production DBA will do most of the true admin. tasks (unless he is out, then one of the dev. DBA's will pick that up). But other than that, it looks like I am going to be more in the dev. world. Now I'll have to kick my lazy butt to learn new stuff!
>
> Jared as always thanks! I've already thought about your book and it's now on order!
>
> What about books with basic development perspective?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Viktor
>
>
>
> DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM> wrote:
> Viktor
> My suggestion is to go for Perl as the quick win and impress your new
> boss. Perl also tends to be more useful for DBAs.
> Learning Java can be a more long-term proposition. First, you need to
> have a strong understanding of object-oriented design. We have trained
> developers in Java, and it hasn't been a quick learn for them. Based on what
> I've seen, I would push for Java training. Also, before you tear into Java,
> you may want to get a basic understanding of how the web stuff like HTML
> works.
>
>
>
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>
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>
>
> Let's take this topic into a more concrete scenario. New boss, company
> reorg, cross-training is enforced and now DBA'S's are going to be split into
> development groups. Need to learn Perl(looking forward to it actually!!!)
> and Java. Books, web sites, docs - all these material is great. But what if
> you're expected to learn fast and I can learn quickly, but still, do you
> guys have some advice on how can one "express" teach himself.
>
> Managing expectation is one thing I need to talk with boss about. Surely I
> would not't want to be overwhelmed with stuff at the beginning. But at the
> same time I am kinda excited about picking up on Java and Perl. The
> questions is what are the tricks and tips for learning on a fast track?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Viktor
>
> Stephane Faroult wrote:
>
> Believe somebody who first learned SQL back in 83, it's too late for
> Java now. Run-of-the-mill skill. Any young grad will know it and will be
> less expensive.
> ERP would be a good bet, because people learn them at work, mostly. Now,
> would a company change be justified just for that? Probably not. As you
> said, you are hired for what you know, not what you want to learn. Grasp
> opportunities, learn whatever looks to you useful - and fun.
>
> My 0.02 EUR.
>
> SF
>
> ryan_oracle_at_cox.net wrote:
> >
> > learn java and object oriented programming. go to sun.com and start
> reading the java docs.
> >
> > go to www.bruceeckel.com and read his java book.
> >
> > do a search on any job sites. a ton more work for java than oracle. people
> who can do both are in demand.
> > >
> > > From: Mladen Gogala > > Date: 2003/12/17 Wed PM 01:49:25 EST
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Subject: Re: Career Advice
> > >
> > > Have you ever considered a career in country music? Try getting "Stand
> By your man"
> > > just right and the rest will come. You have to learn both kinds of
> music, country
> > > and western. May Jake and Elwood be with you.
> > >
> > > On 12/17/2003 12:44:28 PM, Saira Somani-Mendelin wrote:
> > > > As an applications analyst/junior dba, I feel I need to learn more but
> > > > I'm not sure of the direction I should take, so I'm asking for advice.
> > > >
> > > > Should I become interested in Oracle Apps? Or should I learn another
> > > > suite like SAP or Siebel or PeopleSoft? The difficulty is that my
> > > > company does not use any of these. We use a smaller package by Tecsys
> > > > called Eli! te and they don't have as many customers - or should I
> say, as
> > > > many customers with deep pockets.
> > > >
> > > > I know I can get my hands on a working copy of SAP, what about the
> > > > others? I believe you can purchase an evaluation copy of Apps from the
> > > > Oracle Store. Has anyone actually tried to train themselves on any of
> > > > these products? Has anyone installed Apps at home for testing?
> > > >
> > > > Sorry if this question has been presented on the list before.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Saira
> > > >
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