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Sounds like a fun time :-) no really. Thanks for all the details.
Right now I have one computer that is used by everyone. I have a spare laptop but I can always buy a couple of cheap computers to set up a mini lab.
Thanks,
Saira
-----Original Message-----
Odland, Brad
Sent: December 17, 2003 3:14 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
If you need specifics for a home learning environment setting up Oracle 8.1.7.4 on a Gentoo linux box at home is a great learning exersize. (I've yet to do the Gentoo thing, RedHat right now)
(You need at least two computers at home...List how many computers do you have at home.....be honest...even the dead ones...)
And to do so without useing the Database configuration assistant. Then go through upgrades to 9.2.0.4
Set up some locally managed tablespaces, enable archive logging, write some hotbackup and coldbackup scripts, alter datafiles, make new ones, load some bogus data, do exports, imports. Drop table and recover them from exports, break the database, recover from backups....set up procedures for adding new users of pretend application. Create roles for developers, users and analysts...write a PL/SQL program to generate gobs of fake test data. Hotbackups everynight, nightly processing jobs, trunc tables and move data around....
Fiddle with connection manager, OMS, OEM, the agent and Oracle Names. Run various DBA tools TOAD, dbVisualizer do some connections with JDBC and setup apache with PHP and write a few goofy pages to query the data dictionary and format output to your browser. Convert OraHoo0.5 from Oracle function to OCI functions (that's a fun exercise)
All of that is free and downloadable with plenty of documentation. That experience alone will do a ton for you and keep you busy at home for months. pretty much all of the network, OS and database skills are covered. And you can say you've been exposed to performing these tasks and if you put all your scripts your write on a cd you can take it with you for a long time. We all have our pile o'scripts we take with from place to place.
Have fun!
Brad O.
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:24 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Is it that difficult though? Just to get familiar with it. if you've
worked with other similar software before?
I guess you'd be looking at a lot of theory, and not nearly enough practice. But then, how do I get obtain these more attractive, marketable skills? I must start somewhere, no?
Thanks,
Saira
-----Original Message-----
eric king
Sent: December 17, 2003 1:55 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
That right, packaged software like SAP and PeopleSoftware should be
learned in the real implementation or real usage case. By simply getting
the software and use it yourself, it is very difficult to even grasp the
basic idea about those business transactions.
----- Original Message -----
To: Multiple <mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> recipients of list ORACLE-L
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:09 PM
Your enthusiasm is admirable, but I think that it would be extremely difficult for you to learn any of these packages without actually being in an environment where they are used.
It may be that Tecsys is a complex set of apps on the same level as SAP or Oracle Apps, and if so, then maybe that background would prepare you to tackle this on your own.
Either way, it will be difficult without access to official support,
which
you won't have unless you're in a working environment that includes
the app you are attempting to learn.
You would also not have exposure to the people that are actually using the stuff, which is pretty important for software that is directly
used by most of the user community, unlike a database.
HTH Jared
"Saira Somani-Mendelin" <saira_somani_at_yahoo.com>
Sent by: ml-errors_at_fatcity.com
12/17/2003 09:44 AM
Please respond to ORACLE-L
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
<ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
cc:
Subject: Career Advice
As an applications analyst/junior dba, I feel I need to learn more but I'm not sure of the direction I should take, so I'm asking for advice.
Should I become interested in Oracle Apps? Or should I learn another suite like SAP or Siebel or PeopleSoft? The difficulty is that my company does not use any of these. We use a smaller package by Tecsys called Elite and they don't have as many customers - or should I say, as many customers with deep pockets.
I know I can get my hands on a working copy of SAP, what about the others? I believe you can purchase an evaluation copy of Apps from the Oracle Store. Has anyone actually tried to train themselves on any of these products? Has anyone installed Apps at home for testing?
Sorry if this question has been presented on the list before.
Thanks,
Saira
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sounds like a fun time =
</span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DWingdings><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family: Wingdings;mso-ascii-font-family:Arial;mso-hansi-font-family:Arial;mso-bid= i-font-family: Arial;color:navy;mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'><= span style=3D'mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><= /span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'> no really… Thanks for all the details. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Right now I have one computer that = is used by everyone. I have a spare laptop but I can always buy a couple of = cheap computers to set up a mini lab.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Saira<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original = Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
ml-errors_at_fatcity.com [mailto:ml-errors_at_fatcity.com] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On = Behalf Of </span></b>Odland, Brad<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> =
</span></font><st1:date
Month=3D"12" Day=3D"17" Year=3D"2003"><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>December 17, = 2003</span></font></st1:date><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:time Hour=3D"15" Minute=3D"14"><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma'>3:14 PM</span></font></st1:time><font size=3D2 = face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Multiple recipients =
of list ORACLE-L<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Career =
Advice</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>If you need specifics for a home learning environment setting up Oracle 8.1.7.4 = on a Gentoo linux box at home is a great learning exersize. (I've yet to do the = Gentoo thing, RedHat right now)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>(You need at least two computers at home...List how many computers do you = have at home.....be honest...even the dead ones...)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>And to do so without useing the Database configuration assistant. Then go = through upgrades to 9.2.0.4</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Set up some locally managed tablespaces, enable archive logging, write some = hotbackup and coldbackup scripts, alter datafiles, make new ones, load some bogus = data, do exports, imports. Drop table and recover them from exports, break the database, recover from backups....set up procedures for adding new users = of pretend application. Create roles for developers, users and = analysts...write a PL/SQL program to generate gobs of fake test data. Hotbackups = everynight, nightly processing jobs, trunc tables and move data = around....</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Fiddle with connection manager, OMS, OEM, the agent and Oracle Names. Run = various DBA tools TOAD, dbVisualizer do some connections with JDBC and setup apache = with PHP and write a few goofy pages to query the data dictionary and format = output to your browser. Convert OraHoo0.5 from Oracle function to OCI functions (that's a fun exercise)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>All of that is free and downloadable with plenty of documentation. That = experience alone will do a ton for you and keep you busy at home for months. pretty = much all of the network, OS and database skills are covered. And you can say = you've been exposed to performing these tasks and if you put all your scripts = your write on a cd you can take it with you for a long time. We all have our = pile o'scripts we take with from place to place.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Have fun!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Brad = O.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Saira =
Somani-Mendelin [mailto:saira_somani_at_yahoo.com]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> =
</span></font><st1:date
Month=3D"12" Day=3D"17" Year=3D"2003"><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Wednesday, December 17, = 2003</span></font></st1:date><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:time Hour=3D"13" Minute=3D"24"><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma'>1:24 PM</span></font></st1:time><font size=3D2 = face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Multiple recipients =
of list ORACLE-L<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: Career =
Advice<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Is it that difficult though? Just to get familiar with it… if = you’ve worked with other similar software before? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I guess you’d be looking at a lot of theory, and not nearly enough = practice. But then, how do I get obtain these more attractive, marketable skills? I = must start somewhere, no?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p= ></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Saira<o:p></o:p><= /span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:72.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original = Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
ml-errors_at_fatcity.com [mailto:ml-errors_at_fatcity.com] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On = Behalf Of </span></b>eric king<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> =
</span></font><st1:date
Month=3D"12" Day=3D"17" Year=3D"2003"><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>December 17, = 2003</span></font></st1:date><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><st1:time Hour=3D"13" Minute=3D"55"><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma'>1:55 PM</span></font></st1:time><font size=3D2 = face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Multiple recipients =
of list ORACLE-L<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Career =
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face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>That right, packaged = software like SAP and PeopleSoftware should be learned in the real implementation or = real usage case. By simply getting the software and use it yourself, it is = very difficult to even grasp the basic idea about those business = transactions.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span= ></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><st1:date Month=3D"12" Day=3D"17" Year=3D"2003"><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Wednesday, December 17, = 2003</span></font></st1:date><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><st1:time Hour=3D"13" Minute=3D"9"><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>1:09 PM</span></font></st1:time><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p= >
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face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</s= pan></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: Career Advice<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family: Arial'>Your enthusiasm is admirable, but I think that it would be = extremely</span></font>
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<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>difficult for you to learn any of these packages without actually = being</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>in an environment where they are used.</span></font> <br>
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>It may be that Tecsys is a complex set of apps on the same level</span></font> =
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<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>as SAP or Oracle Apps, and if so, then maybe that background </span></font><br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>would prepare you to tackle this on your own.</span></font> <br>
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<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Either way, it will be difficult without access to official support, = which</span></font>
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<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>you won't have unless you're in a working environment that = includes</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>the app you are attempting to learn.</span></font> <br>
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<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>You would also not have exposure to the people that are = actually</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>using the stuff, which is pretty important for software that is = directly</span></font>
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<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>used by most of the user community, unlike a database.</span></font> <br>
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<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>HTH</span></font>
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jared</span></font>
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Courier New"'>As an applications analyst/junior dba, I feel = I need to learn more but<br> I'm not sure of the direction I should take, so I'm asking for = advice.<br>
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Should I become interested in Oracle Apps? Or should I learn another<br> suite like SAP or Siebel or PeopleSoft? The difficulty is that my<br> company does not use any of these. We use a smaller package by = Tecsys<br> called Elite and they don't have as many customers - or should I say, = as<br> many customers with deep pockets. <br>
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I know I can get my hands on a working copy of SAP, what about the<br> others? I believe you can purchase an evaluation copy of Apps from = the<br> Oracle Store. Has anyone actually tried to train themselves on any = of<br> these products? Has anyone installed Apps at home for testing? <br>
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Sorry if this question has been presented on the list before.<br>
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Thanks,<br> Saira<br>
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