Oracle-L: RE: Offshore threat

From: Stephane Paquette <stephane.paquette_at_standardlife.ca>
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 11:14:33 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.005CECD1.20030904111433@fatcity.com>

When working at International Air Transport Association (IATA), the company moved around 60 jobs from Geneva and London to Montreal because it was cheaper here.

This is all business as usual.

Stephane Paquette
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Mercadante, Thomas F
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 2:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

This is all very funny and interesting. Anybody read the story in yesterday's NY times? Mexica has a concern that their textile industry is being "stolen" by China because it is cheaper to make products there than in Mexico.
Sound familiar?

"This is the business we have chosen to be into" Himen Roth (and I know spelled his first name wrong).

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Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 2:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

It doesn't work in only one direction. While jobs are bieng lost to cheaper labor markets, Indian companies now have to compete with frighteningly efficient
giants like Nike, Coca Cola, IBM, Microsoft, GM, Union Carbide and others. Local
companies are losing the market and have to reduce their workforce, driving the
cost of labor further down and closing the vicious circle. What is scary is the
fact that we are an order of magnitude more efficient then the rest of the world,
even with all our PHB's and damagement. How messed up is everybody else? The only
difference between a US DBA and a cleaning leady, which has also been replaced by
an immigrant a long time ago, is the fact that the DBA has easier access to the
DBA mailing lists. If we weren't crying foul then, there is no need to do it now.
We will simply have to adjust and do something else. The first thing that comes
to mind is becoming a lawyer. When I want to sue somebody, I'd like to be represented by a cutthroat yankee lawyer, not by a very polite and
non-aggressive gentleman from India. Lawyers do need a killer instinct, DBAs do
not. For those of us who have it, it's more of a hindrance then a useful tool.
Lawyers and politicians, fortunately for Indians, will never be outsourced to India.
Here is our chance.

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Mladen Gogala
Oracle DBA

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Souto
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

LOL! Funny how this "globalisation" bull only works in one direction, eh?

Cheers
Nuno Souto
nsouto_at_optusnet.com.au
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> ** Another programmer who lost his job to an Indian outsourcer is
> willing to relocate in India. But Indian officials have told him they
> don't hire Americans. Read about another politicized IT worker in "No
> Americans Need Apply."

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