RE: OUI: Oracle Untested Infuriator

My understanding was, and this could be entirely wrong, that there is a patch to OUI which entirely circimvents this problem (OUI 2.2.0.18) and that this only applied if you had been fast enough to apply 9.2.0.2 first. I.E. an upgrade from 9.2 release to 9.2.0.3 was fine.

I don't like the fact that the updated readme for the 9.2.0.3 patchset appears to include none of this information - after all its an OUI issue :(

Niall

> -----Original Message-----
> From: root_at_fatcity.com [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com] On Behalf Of
> Jared.Still_at_radisys.com
> Sent: 20 May 2003 20:02
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re: OUI: Oracle Untested Infuriator
>
>
> > Today I discovered that if you install 9.2 and
> >patch it up to 9.2.0.3, you can't add components like JDBC
> drivers etc.
> >from media without having the OUI automatically DOWNGRADE the Oracle
> >Server binaries in the process.
>
> I was wondering about that recently. Thanks for confirming it.
>
> > Who wouldn't give up a finger to have character mode orainst back?
>
> I still like CASE 5. Character mode forms allowed me to be much more
> productive
> than Designer ever did.
>
> Good luck on your crusade. Would letters of support help?
>
> Jared
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeremiah Wilton <jwilton_at_speakeasy.net>
> Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
> 05/20/2003 10:26 AM
> Please respond to ORACLE-L
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> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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> cc:
> Subject: OUI: Oracle Untested Infuriator
>
>
> Speaking of GUIs, lets hear it for the most horrendous GUI of
> them all, the nearly unusable Oracle Universal Installer.
>
> Although I avoid it religiously, opting to copy around
> tarballs instead, I still occasionally must run the installer
> on my master installation.
>
> Well, the master copy is in Seattle and I am in London. Why?
> because you have to have a dedicated host not running any
> instances for use as the master install location, due to the
> fact that the ORACLE_HOME is hardcoded into all sorts of
> files, and the thing refuses to run if there is an instance
> running, even if it isn't going to touch anything that
> instance is using. If you install in an alternate directory
> of one of your normal servers, you can never upgrade the thing.
>
> Although our WAN is fairly fast, it is no match for the OUI.
> You click a button, and 60 seconds later it visibly
> depresses. Then you wait for the results. Today I
> discovered that if you install 9.2 and patch it up to
> 9.2.0.3, you can't add components like JDBC drivers etc. from
> media without having the OUI automatically DOWNGRADE the
> Oracle Server binaries in the process. Sure you can copy
> them into place manually, but they won't get picked up in
> future upgrades with the... OUI!!
>
> Combine that with incorrect instructions, faulty readme files
> and just flat out non-QA'd software (oops forgot to make that
> file executable in the distribution!), and you get one frustrated DBA.
>
> All I can say is the OUI is the biggest piece of crap Oracle
> has ever produced (maybe I am forgetting Oracle Mail). I
> can't believe they haven't rearchitected it since its fateful
> inception and the demise of orainst. Who wouldn't give up a
> finger to have character mode orainst back?
>
> If I wrote a reliable character mode perl script that does
> the same thing as runInstaller, does anyone think I could sell it?
>
> The OUI has blown so much of my time this week. Companies
> should start asking Oracle for license fee discounts equal to
> the time their expensive DBAs flush down the toilet running
> the OUI and screwing with broken Oracle software (We have
> over 10 one-off patches on top of 9.2.0.3).
>
> I hereby declare that I will use all of my powers to get the
> present OUI scrapped in time for 10i. Stay tuned for updates.
>
> --
> Jeremiah Wilton
> http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton
>
> On Tue, 20 May 2003, Freeman Robert - IL wrote:
>
> > As for me and my house, we will choose manual migrations
> over GUI any
> time.
> >
> >
> > Robert 12:23-24
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Sent: 5/20/2003 9:31 AM
> >
> > No problem, you are more than welcome and for your sarcasm, when
> > you've reached the point where you have done oracle work for 12
> > years(yes clear back to BEFORE MIGRATION ASSISTANTS
> EXISTED), you can
> > feel free to verbally abuse me, in the mean time:
> >
> > BYTE ME.
> >
> > joe
> >
> >
> >
> > >Thanx a lot for your valuable info' JOE.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Jp.
> >
> > 19-5-2003 12:27:52, Joe Testa <jtesta_at_dmc-it.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >>all migrations/upgrades are done manually, i've never
> trusted them
> >
> > dang
> >
> > >>gui tools
> > >>joe
> >
> > Joseph S Testa
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