Ron,
I tried vnc and that pretty much solves the speed problem. Thanks for
the suggestion. It should save me hours.
--
Jeremiah Wilton
http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton
On Wed, 21 May 2003, Ron Thomas wrote:
>
> FWIW-
>
> I use vnc for remote installs. This keeps oui running local to the install server. Only changes in
> screen are sent across the wan. I haven't noticed much time difference doing it this way.
> Definatly short than 9 hours-- more on the line of 1 hour.
>
> Ron Thomas
> Hypercom, Inc
> rthomas_at_hypercom.com
> Each new user of a new system uncovers a new class of bugs. -- Kernighan
>
>
>
> kirti.deshpande_at_v
> erizon.com To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> Sent by: cc:
> root_at_fatcity.com Subject: RE: Oracle Untested Infuriator
>
>
> 05/21/2003 08:41
> AM
> Please respond to
> ORACLE-L
>
>
>
>
>
>
> FWIW...
> 9i install on an AIX server via ISDN (128k) took 9 hours.
> (Great money maker if one charged by hours in one's "Remote DBA" Service offerings ... ;)
>
> Identical install on another AIX server while on campus took less than 70 minutes. I drove to work
> Sunday (before last) to complete a few more installs....
>
> I also run other X-Windows apps (BMC Patrol, ADSM/TSM Client) over ISDN.
> OUI is the slowest one (for whatever reasons).
>
> - Kirti
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:32 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> What a cynic (as usual)! You'd think that moving back to Perth would have
> improved your sarcastic way of life, Mr. McDonald.
>
> In the overall scheme of things, my personal belief is that going to a GUI
> interface was not the problem. After all, lots of software products were
> guified for this ease of use reason. I think the main problem was in not
> leaving an alternative route (other than the response file route, which IIRC
> still required you to be running an X session) for a) those more experienced
> people like most on this list seem to be to do things the way they were used
> to and b) those people who have to install across a low speed network (WAN
> or whatever). I know I still curse the slow installation I do onto a box
> which actually resides on the east coast of the US while I'm on the west
> coast. Heaven only knows what it'll be like when I move back to Oz in a
> month or so's time and still have to do it!
>
> Pete
> "Controlling developers is like herding cats."
> Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
> "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!"
> Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> McDonald
> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:17 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> I have to disagree...I quite like the benefits that
> the OUI has brought to my job. Consider:
>
> In the old days, I could get an (character mode)
> install done quickly and efficiently in 30 mins or so
> , and thus I could quickly move onto other job tasks.
>
>
> With the GUI install (especially over a slow network),
> its normally the best part of half a day or more to
> get even the simplest things done. This opens up much
> more of my day for things like R&D, hypothesis testing
> and all sorts of other things that we all never have
> enough time for. So all the fun things about the DBA
> role - preparing presentations, putting together
> tests, reading the doco on newer versions etc all
> neatly fall under the timesheet category of "Waiting
> for install to complete"
>
> :-)
>
> Signed
> Sarcastic Bugger
>
> --- Jeremiah Wilton <jwilton_at_speakeasy.net> wrote: >
> Pete,
> >
> > It may be that some other group at Oracle besides
> > the OUI team is
> > responsible for the absurd requirement that in order
> > to add the JDBC
> > OCI drivers (4 files) to a 9.2.0.3 ORACLE_HOME, you
> > must allow the OUI
> > to downgrade Oracle Server software to 9.2.0.1.
> > Support actually came
> > up with the clever idea of choosing a client install
> > when adding the
> > drivers, and then OUI only downgrades libclntsh.so
> > and associated
> > stuff, so only they need to be re-upgraded.
> >
> > The main probelm though is that the installer is
> > pretty much unusable
> > unless you are within the same LAN as the server
> > host. That is an OUI
> > arcitectural problem. The requirement for an X
> > server, even for an
> > unattended install, is unsustainable if Oracle
> > expects real DBAs to
> > take the product seriously. The installer cannot be
> > in the business
> > of screen-painting across the network. I can't even
> > believe the idea
> > got past an initial review, much less persisted for
> > several years.
> >
> > --
> > Jeremiah Wilton
> > http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton
> >
> > On Tue, 20 May 2003, Pete Sharman wrote:
> >
> > > So tell us how you really feel, Jeremiah! :)
> > >
> > > Seriously, many of the problems you list are
> > actually not OUI problems, but
> > > install (the way the install was built, and the
> > dependencies of products
> > > being installed). But customers don't separate
> > these (and they should not
> > > have to), and OUI gets blamed for it.
> > Fortunately the install and OUI
> > > teams are now much closer (same team), as they
> > should be, and hopefully that
> > > will help drive requirements from install (of
> > Server and iAS) into OUI and
> > > vice versa.
> > >
> > > Yeah, I know, the moon is made of green cheese,
> > too ... :)
> > >
> > > Pete
> > > "Controlling developers is like herding cats."
> > > Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook
> > > "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!"
> > > Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Wilton
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 10:27 AM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > Speaking of GUIs, lets hear it for the most
> > horrendous GUI of them all, the
> > > nearly unusable Oracle Universal Installer.
> > >
> > > Although I avoid it religiously, opting to copy
> > around tarballs instead, I
> > > still occasionally must run the installer on my
> > master installation.
> > >
> > > Well, the master copy is in Seattle and I am in
> > London. Why? because you
> > > have to have a dedicated host not running any
> > instances for use as the
> > > master install location, due to the fact that the
> > ORACLE_HOME is hardcoded
> > > into all sorts of files, and the thing refuses to
> > run if there is an
> > > instance running, even if it isn't going to touch
> > anything that instance is
> > > using. If you install in an alternate directory
> > of one of your normal
> > > servers, you can never upgrade the thing.
> > >
> > > Although our WAN is fairly fast, it is no match
> > for the OUI. You click a
> > > button, and 60 seconds later it visibly depresses.
> > Then you wait for the
> > > results. Today I discovered that if you install
> > 9.2 and patch it up to
> > > 9.2.0.3, you can't add components like JDBC
> > drivers etc. from media without
> > > having the OUI automatically DOWNGRADE the Oracle
> > Server binaries in the
> > > process. Sure you can copy them into place
> > manually, but they won't get
> > > picked up in future upgrades with the... OUI!!
> > >
> > > Combine that with incorrect instructions, faulty
> > readme files and just flat
> > > out non-QA'd software (oops forgot to make that
> > file executable in the
> > > distribution!), and you get one frustrated DBA.
> > >
> > > All I can say is the OUI is the biggest piece of
> > crap Oracle has ever
> > > produced (maybe I am forgetting Oracle Mail). I
> > can't believe they haven't
> > > rearchitected it since its fateful inception and
> > the demise of orainst. Who
> > > wouldn't give up a finger to have character mode
> > orainst back?
> > >
> > > If I wrote a reliable character mode perl script
> > that does the same thing as
> > > runInstaller, does anyone think I could sell it?
> > >
> > > The OUI has blown so much of my time this week.
> > Companies should start
> > > asking Oracle for license fee discounts equal to
> > the time their expensive
> > > DBAs flush down the toilet running the OUI and
> > screwing with broken Oracle
> > > software (We have over 10 one-off patches on top
> > of 9.2.0.3).
> > >
> > > I hereby declare that I will use all of my powers
> > to get the present OUI
> > > scrapped in time for 10i. Stay tuned for updates.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeremiah Wilton
> > > http://www.speakeasy.net/~jwilton
> > >
> > > On Tue, 20 May 2003, Freeman Robert - IL wrote:
> > >
> > > > As for me and my house, we will choose manual
> > migrations over GUI any
> > > > time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Robert 12:23-24
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > Sent: 5/20/2003 9:31 AM
> > > >
> > > > No problem, you are more than welcome and for
> > your sarcasm, when
> > > > you've reached the point where you have done
> > oracle work for 12
> > > > years(yes clear back to BEFORE MIGRATION
> > ASSISTANTS EXISTED), you can
> > > > feel free to verbally abuse me, in the mean
> > time:
> > > >
> > > > BYTE ME.
> > > >
> > > > joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Thanx a lot for your valuable info' JOE.
> > > > >
> > > > >Regards,
> > > > >Jp.
> > > >
> > > > 19-5-2003 12:27:52, Joe Testa
> > <jtesta_at_dmc-it.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >>all migrations/upgrades are done manually,
> > i've never trusted them
> > > >
> > > > dang
> > > >
> > > > >>gui tools
> > > > >>joe
> > > >
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