Re: Oracle 8i or 9i ?

Thanks, that got me happy since I do have a couple years of windows experience ;)
So now, i have 1 vote for oracle 8i and one for 9i. Any other opinions? ----- Original Message -----
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:54 PM

> Les - Oh you wanted the hard questions answered as well. Given that you
> mentioned you were a MS sys admin, I'd say that would give you a leg up. A
> lot of shops have combined DBA/Sys admins for MS. That might be your
easiest
> transition. I hate to say this, especially on this list, but you may want
to
> look at adding MS SQL certification just to give you more options, like
the
> target employer might have Oracle and MS SQL. Depending on your salary
> demands, your chances of getting on as a newbie DBA are probably okay. A
lot
> depends on your networking ability, good resume, no criminal record that
can
> be easily traced ;-), good personal hygiene, charm in interviews,
> persistence, and just plain luck.
> The ecommerce side has had a real dose of reality in the last couple of
> years, but is still there. Consider just getting some Oracle experience
and
> then moving over to ecommerce. Most companies still have some type of
> ecommerce area. Otherwise, in your spare time, learn everything you can
> about ecommerce from the marketing drivel down to HTML.
> These are obviously not well-informed opinions, but worth every penny
you
> paid ;-)
>
> Dennis Williams
> DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 3:19 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Thanks for the replies guys, I really appreciate it. Can i get some input
> on these 2 questions:
>
> What chances am I looking at to
> > getting hired as a newbie DBA once I graduate?
> >
> > I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle (connecting DBs to
> > websites/portals?). Which certification/path should I be
> > following? Thanks in advance!!
>
> THANKS, I'M STARTING TO LIKE THIS LIST ALREADY!!!!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:35 PM
>
>
> > Les - Here is an idea for you. Think up a trivial application for a
> > database. Maybe your home albums or DVDs. Try to make it a little
> > relational, like have an "artist" table. Force yourself to work with it.
> At
> > the right time I was secretary of a bowling league, so each year I
rewrote
> a
> > league management program in a different language, whatever I needed to
> > learn. I went through Oracle, COBOL, Perl, C, all in different years.
The
> > point is that by playing "user" you get a good feel for why the heck
> > somebody would use a database to begin with.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dennis Williams
> > DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA
> > Lifetouch, Inc.
> > dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:00 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm more of a windoz SA and have been working with a little Unix here &
> > there for hte past 2yrs.... (RH, Mandrake, Solaris). What I really want
> to
> > accomplish is to switch to Unix and Databases. My goal is to use my
> > certifcation as a way to get my foot in the door of the DB world and
after
> a
> > couple of years, do some consulting. I downloaded oracle 9i for Solaris
> and
> > have yet to install it because I wanted to read up on Oracle 1st. Will
> > install it this weekend ;)
> >
> > I want to work with DBs because I think it's always going to be about
> > managing information and the need is never going to die. I don't know
of
> > any midsize companies who would survive w/o some type of DB and after
> being
> > laid off twice, I'm reconsidering going into a different IT career.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > To: Multiple <mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 8:34 AM
> >
> >
> > The $3000 is true if he takes them through 'oracle' university but not
if
> > the local community college offers the classes.
> >
> > What I did (and it seemed to work fine) for my 8i certification is to go
> to
> > the community college bookstore and just buy the 'official' manuals and
> > never signed up for the classes. I was lucky enough to already have a
jr
> > dba position so I was getting the real-world experience and I had a
fairly
> > decent idea of how oracle worked at a very basic level. (although I
will
> > say that my confidence in what I know has dropped dramatically in the
last
> > several months since I joined this list and began reading book's such as
> > steve adams' 'oracle internals' and jonathan lewis's 'oracle 8i building
> > efficient databases'...which has spawned an enormous interest in
> continuing
> > to improve my knowledge of all things oracle)
> >
> > What really, really erks me is the fact that these certifications have
> been
> > cheapened by people who relay specific test questions and even entire
> exams
> > over the internet. People should be in it for the knowledge....not just
to
> > get that certificate. I'd be scared sh#tless if I found a job where I
> > pretended to be a dba and justified it by my certification only to be
> given
> > actual dba responsibilities. ...i'd rather work at a coffee shop and
not
> > have to deal with the stress (but that's just me)
> >
> > Anyways, I'm rambling now.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Oh yeah....a BIG OL THANKS to the pros on this list that put up with
> > questions from people like me! Your knowledge is GREATLY appreciated.
> >
> > Have a good one.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 9:49 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> > 9i will cost you more in the long run because you have to take 4 exams
> > at $150 each plus a $3000 course to get OCP.
> >
> > 8i then upgrade to 9i will cost you less but requires you to take up
> > to 6 exams at $150 each but no more $3000 course.
> >
> > --
> > Lyndon Tiu
> >
> >
> > Quoting Les Ayudo <info_at_lesayudo.com>:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm thinking of going to school to get Oracle certified. There are
> > > 2 schools in my area that are offering Oracle certs but one offers
> > > Oracle 8i courses w/ an upgrade to 9i, while the other offers all
> > > 9i courses. If i go to the schools who offers 9i courses, would I
> > > miss out on valuable 8i knowledge? Which school should I attend?
> > > The courses will last about 7 or 8 months. Also, is this a good
> > > "in demand" field to get into? What chances am I looking at to
> > > getting hired as a newbie DBA once I graduate?
> > >
> > > I want to get into the Ecommerce side of Oracle (connecting DBs to
> > > websites/portals?). Which certification/path should I be
> > > following? Thanks in advance!!
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Author: Lyndon Tiu
> > INET: ltiu_at_alumni.sfu.ca
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