Re: [new info] Redhat Advanced Server Dev Edition - RAC

Good points. In Denmark we have a lot of Damgaard/Navision/Microsoft Business Solutions sites running these - usually modestly-sized - ERP-systems on SE.

Tim Gorman wrote:

> Standard Edition (SE) will do the good, old standby database thing
> quite well, but without the bells-and-whistles that became available
> in v8.1.x (i.e. automated log shipping, log shipping over SQL*Net,
> automated log apply, up to 5 archive destinatios, etc). You'll
> essentially be running in v7.3.x mode (which I'm personally happy to
> do, because it allows me to use some good, old tried-and-true
> scripts). For a while in the 8.1.5 timeframe, there was even a bug
> whereby the *primary* database instance could be crashed by an
> ORA-00600 occuring on the *standby* database instance (!!!), so those
> good, old standby databases operating in v7.3 mode on v8.1
> software looked pretty danged smart...
>
> Very often, Oracle will allow the second node in a standby arrangement
> to be licensed using "named-user" licensing, so you only pay the
> US$15K/processor for the "primary" server and then pay the
> 5-named-user minimum (25-named-user minimum for EE) on the "standby"
> server (something like US$2-3K total for SE, something like US$12-15K
> total for EE, I think -- can't say for certain because the unbreakable
> OracleStore is down at the moment). Of course, you can't even license
> SE on a box with more than four processors...
>
> You can run a wide variety of applications on SE; I've seen
> PeopleSoft run happily in production on it, no quibbles whatsoever...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mogens Nørgaard <mailto:mln_at_MiracleAS.dk>
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> <mailto:ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [new info] Redhat Advanced Server Dev Edition - RAC
>
> I'm not sure, but I think the good, old standard standby thing
> will work with SE ($15K per CPU).
>
> Data Guard requires EE, so that's $40K.
>
> But 3rd party tools (I have tested none of them, but I know the
> name Quest Shareplex) will run on SE - but then they probably cost
> a lot, too. Oracle is moving towards the idea that any HA-option
> will require you to use EE. In some places, where SE is good
> enough, 3rd party tools might suddenly look attractive :).
>
> Mogens
>
> Jared.Still_at_radisys.com wrote:
>
>>Simple:
>>
>>RAC = $60k per CPU.
>>
>>Standby = $40k per CPU.
>>
>>Jared
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>DENNIS WILLIAMS <DWILLIAMS_at_LIFETOUCH.COM>
>>Sent by: root_at_fatcity.com
>> 02/11/2003 01:54 PM
>> Please respond to ORACLE-L
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>>
>>Dick
>> How is the standby database cheaper? I understood from previous list
>>discussions that you had to license the standby server as well.
>> As the hardware and O/S become commodities, I think Oracle would like
>>to
>>avoid becoming a commodity. Commodity prices are low, as any farmer can
>>tell
>>you.
>> But the further issue is "how do Oracle DBAs avoid becoming a
>>commodity?". Maybe the next question coming is "why should we pay more for
>>a
>>DBA when we're getting the computer and software so cheap?"
>>
>>Dennis Williams
>>DBA, 40%OCP
>>Lifetouch, Inc.
>>dwilliams_at_lifetouch.com
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:29 PM
>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>>
>>
>>Jared,
>>
>> I don't know about the rest of the list members, but the company I
>>work
>>for
>>would like to have the technology but without the additional license
>>expense.
>>Therefore were going to do the standby database thing instead of RAC. Now
>>if
>>your into using Linux with low end PC's then maybe you can justify it. I
>>don't
>>know, it gives me the whillies when the software costs more than the
>>hardware
>>and OS combined.
>>
>>Dick Goulet
>>
>>____________________Reply Separator____________________
>>Author: Jared Still <jkstill_at_cybcon.com>
>>Date: 2/11/2003 8:29 AM
>>
>>
>>This is all cool technology, and fun stuff to play with.
>>
>>It all begs the questions,
>>
>>"How many of us work for a business that actually need this?"
>>
>>"Are they willing to pay $400/user $20k/CPU above the cost
>>of Oracle 9i EE to use it?"
>>
>>"Are they willing to pay the extra overhead required to maintain it?"
>>
>>I'm not sure the ROI is there for many of us. Though downtime
>>at our business is somewhat expensive, I think that a failover
>>system or even standby database will provide adequate coverage
>>for us, which is indeed a hot topic here right now, after our Dell
>>SAN put us out of business for 36 hours.
>>
>>RAC wouldn't have helped much there. Niether would a cluster
>>for that matter. Standby DB would have been perfect.
>>
>>This whole push of RAC by Oracle reminds me very much of the
>>mlife phone campaign by ATT. Do you really need to take pictures
>>with your phone? And what is the point of sending text messages
>>to someone elses phone when you could just call them?
>>
>>ATT needs you to buy this stuff, because they have it for sale.
>>
>>I see RAC in a similar light. Do you need RAC? Oracle needs
>>you to 'need' it, because they need some reason for you to
>>spend more money on their product.
>>
>>Jared
>>
>>
>>
>>On Saturday 08 February 2003 21:23, Richard Ji wrote:
>>
>>
>>>To those who are interested in running RAC on Linux.
>>>I know we have been talking about RAC on linux lately. This is great
>>>
>>>
>>news
>>
>>
>>>Redhat has made a special developer's edition for their Advanced Server
>>>which
>>>only costs $60! So we don't have to shell out $699 for a copy of RHAS
>>>
>>>
>>2.1
>>
>>
>>>to play with RAC.
>>>
>>>http://www.redhat.com/software/advancedserver/developer/
>>>
>>>Have fun.
>>>
>>>Richard Ji
>>>
>>>
>

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