Me and my big mouth.
I should have added that most of these are spoken for
by folks that did actual work in helping us out. :)
I'll see what I can do. :)
Jared
Rachel Carmichael <wisernet100_at_yahoo.com>
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gee if that's all it takes, how about
This book is the best Oracle and Perl book ever written. Why, even a
total Perl neophyte like me can understand and immediately use
everything in the book, even before reading it.
:)
- Jared.Still_at_radisys.com wrote:
> > hoping for that free book from Jared..
>
> Well, I get 20 of them.
>
> How's that review coming. :)
>
> Jared
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Grabowy, Chris" <cgrabowy_at_fcg.com>
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>
> 1) Production shop, obviously your not installing Oracle that much.
> But a
> development shop is regularly installing Oracle. It would seem that
> people
> with a "command line" background appreciate the power, flexibility,
> speed,
> and therefore crave a command line installer. While people with a
> "GUI"
> background appreciate the comfort of GUI. Click your radio buttons,
> click
> Next. Click Help if your stuck, etc.
>
> 2/3) Yes, Java is everywhere for a reason. But real cross platform
> development....Perl....(hoping for that free book from Jared..(grin))
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
> All this ranting is nice but consider the following:
>
> 1) You do not install oracle on a server so much.
> In fact, in our shop this is done by the technical
> people, not the DBA. The DBA got the machine with
> oracle already installed and just build the database.
>
> 2) When you have to do cross platform development
> Java is the tool to save on resources.
>
> 3) Any machine that's need to run a production database
> should be strong enough to run Java ok.
>
> Yechiel Adar (not an oracle employee)
> Mehish
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>
>
> > Me thinks this was done to check off some boxes to indicate that
> Oracle
> is
> > "easy" to install and maintain (OEM). These are boxes that SQL
> Server
> had
> > checked off (I guess) for a long time, and Oracle didn't. And
> Oracle
> can
> > check the Java box a few dozen times now. "Oracle is now easier
> for
> your
> > (in)experienced IT shop to setup and maintain.", Oracle sales guy
> rants
> and
> > raves. "And you don't need to pay for those over-priced
> experienced
> DBAs
> > anymore!!!", he exclaims. CIOs eyes glaze over...
> >
> > I am getting tired of W2K, and yearn to get back to Solaris....or
> any
> *NIX.
> > Sigh.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > [mailto:Scott.Shafer_at_dcpds.cpms.osd.mil]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 6:24 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Oh the system does. That's a given. There is no need to java-fy
> > everything. There was a perfectly good working installer. Not
> everyone
> > wants to jump through the hoops of setting up xservers and watching
> all
> your
> > RAM consumed by the JRE.
> >
> > Perl and Perl TK are multi-platform, small footprint, etc. OEM 1.6
>
> still
> > had mostly Tcl/TK pieces and parts and ran fast and reliably. Not
> so
> for
> > OEM 2.x. Give me a command line back for installs. That's not too
> much
> to
> > ask, right?
> >
> > Scott Shafer
> > San Antonio, TX
> > 210-581-6217
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ray Stell [SMTP:stellr_at_cns.vt.edu]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:48 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Subject: Re: runInstaller
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You might look at silent mode install, Note:73510.1
> > >
> > > I have found that on really hot machines oui is a screamer. It
> could
> be
> > > your system needs a facelift.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 12:47:19PM -0800,
> Scott.Shafer_at_dcpds.cpms.osd.mil
> > > wrote:
> > > > What I wouldn't give for "./orainst /c" right now.
> > > >
> > > > <RANT>
> > > >
> > > > Where is the productivity and ease of use of the #$%^#@ OUI
> when it
> > > takes
> > > > hours and hours just to load up all the java crap! Piece of
> garbage
> is
> > > > enough to make me want to go back to 7.3.4 - and shoot the
> idiot who
> > > thought
> > > > up java...
> > > >
> > > > </RANT>
> > > >
> > > > Thankyou. I feel better about hating 9iAS now.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott Shafer
> > > > San Antonio, TX
> > > > 210-581-6217
> > > >
> > > >
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