RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

Thomas - I think you've hit the nail on the head. Reminds me of a line from the Godfather. The old Don is dying and giving his son advice on how to deal with the other Mafia gangs. He says "Don't make them guess what you're up to. They aren't good guessers." Consider HR an obstacle to get past so you can get to the interview and show your stuff. You won't get that chance if your resume ends up in the "future reference" file. Make their job easy. Put the information they will be scanning for, like Oracle, in bold letters.

Dennis Williams
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Lifetouch, Inc.
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Certified -- schmertified; but that's gone over in detail.

As someone who used to do some hiring I'd like to address the criticism of HR people. Yes, it's annoying when they put IT jargon in the hiring order and then have no idea what it is that they've asked for. However, they start the hiring process on everyone from the company courier to the PhD Information Scientist. Do you really expect them to know the details about the latest languages, network protocol, web usage, and Oracle? I think that that's a tall order.

If they ask for Oracle 8i, tell them you have Oracle 8i. Save the version details for the technical interview. The HR person is often working from a list of specifications that were given to them. They also use resume processing software that is looking for specific hits on specific words.

It's not the best of all worlds but it is the real world.  

                    Rajesh.Rao

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This threads getting to be a lengthy one, and I might as well add my two cents to it. I too come from the same school of thought. That you are OCP certified holds no water with me. OK. So you are OCP Certified.That dont impress me much.

One of my first questions, when I am asked to conduct an interview, is ask them to name some of the Oracle Gurus they have read about, to name some helpful Oracle sites, or some great white papers. The answers, almost always, tend to reflect the level of expertise. Jonathan Lewis, Steve Adams, Cary Millsap, Craig Shallahamer, Anjo Kolk, Tom Kyte, Kevin Loney,

Rama Velupuri, Racheal Carmicheal, ..................

Sadly, my point of view differs from that of most recruiters. I know of an OCP who, when told that the developers were running out of temporary tablespace, put in a request with the SA to increase the disk space for /tmp. I also know of a HR personnel who rejected my resume coz I had no 8i experience. Sadly, my resume said 8.1.6, 8.1.7.

Raj
Not an OCP Certified DBA

"Whatever little I know, I owe it to my ignorance".

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Sorry, I can't help being quiet.

I've no respect for the OCP. I saw MANY people bought the exams from many sources. These people memorize the questions and answers prior the test day. Voila, they pass the tests and still don't understand how to install and configure the database.

I learned it on my job and am still learning. I took the 8i exam program and was EXTREMELY disappointed. I learned nothing.

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