OK. As the DBA Focus Area Manager for the IOUG, we do our best to weed out
the fluff. If you were at IOUG this year, you should have noticed a
significant reduction in the marketing fluff and more technical content.
Yes, some showmanship is necessary when giving a presentation, but the
content has to be there.
Many people on this forum have submitted presentations to my track and then
complained that they were not accepted. Let me give you some concrete
numbers. This year, we received over 400 abstracts for the DBA track alone
and accepted only 80. If one slips through the cracks, it won't a second
time. Believe me when I say that 2002 was the best content-organized IOUG.
Further comments? Submit an abstract for 2003 and find out!!!
Thank You
Stephen P. Karniotis
Product Architect
Compuware Corporation
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unfortunately, I've seen this to be true at
many conferences, including the IOUG
and SEOUC.
Matt Adams - GE Appliances - matt.adams_at_appl.ge.com
"Doing linear scans over an associative array is like
trying to club someone to death with a loaded Uzi."
- Larry Wall (creator of Perl)
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I'll bet a dynamic animated speaker chockful of amusing anecdotes whose
presentation is technically weak scores better than a plodding monotonous
one with better information to convey :) Especialy if the audience is
composed of nascent DBA's :)
Ian MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
ian_at_SLAC.Stanford.edu
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one being a marketing venue, the other being a place where you can
learn from ohers experiences.
and to clarify further, if you are a lousy presenter, giving bad
information, you get horrible scores and, since the selection process
is not blind, don't get asked back to present again.
So having a list of many presentations, at various conferences, can be
an indicator of knowledge.
- "Karniotis, Stephen" <Stephen_Karniotis_at_compuware.com> wrote:
> Let me clarify something. It was at Oracle Open World, not IOUG-A
> Live
> where these presentations were made. Please do not confuse the two!!
>
> Thank You
>
> Stephen P. Karniotis
> Product Architect
> Compuware Corporation
> Direct: (248) 865-4350
> Mobile: (248) 408-2918
> Email: Stephen.Karniotis_at_Compuware.com
> Web: www.compuware.com
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:41 PM
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> Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again
>
> A tip o' the hat to all authors and presenters. However writing a
> book
> makes no one an expert on anything. There are Oracle books
> containing
> fabulous stories of what happens when a tablespace is put in backup
> mode,
> and while quite entertaining they do not further a correct
> understanding of
> Oracle. Authors take the time to put what they believe to be true on
> paper.
> It's often what they have been told, not what they have learned on
> their
> own. Richard Niemiec's sp? tuning books have been trashed recently
> because
> they tout buffer hit ratios; however there was a consensus in the
> Oracle
> community that these were important. It took Cary Millsap's paper
> and a new
> tuning paradigm introduced by Gaja Vaidyanatha, Kirtikumar Deshpande,
> and
> John Kostelac Jr. to direct us to something more useful. Personally,
> I was
> using wait events before Gaja's book, but I was also trying to keep
> the hit
> ratio's high as a part of the "consensus". If I had written a book
> before
> seeing Cary's paper!
> !
> , it
> would have touted hit ratios. I don't believe "Oracle 101
> Performance
> Tuning" is a perfect book; it doesn't properly address data
> collection
> needs.
>
> Why would authorship and presentations be worth more than an OCP?
> The OCP
> says that you have achieved a standard. One can debate whether that
> standard has any meaning. There is no standard at all for
> authors/presenters. It does seem however that many OCP holders know
> far
> less than their certificate would indicate, and some authors are more
> expert
> than their books convey. A good author of Oracle tomes and
> presentations
> needs a clearer understanding of the subject matter than an OCP.
> Good
> authors hold themselves to higher standards than needed to be called
> an OCP.
> I just want to point out that not all authors are good authors, and
> that
> there are OCP holders who have not written books that are as if not
> more
> knowlegeable than most authors. There are people who have done
> neither who
> know as much if not more than both.
>
> The OCM was introduced for two reasons. Oracle is in business to
> make money
> and wanted another revenue stream, and the standards one must meet to
> become
> an OCP were being questioned. Unfortunately at last years IOUG-A
> conference the six people who were given their OCM's were touted as
> the six
> most knowledgeable Oracle experts in th world. The awardees did not
> include
> Gaja, nor Kirti, nor Anjo Kolk, nor Steve Adams, nor Jonathan Lewis,
> nor Guy
> Harrison, nor Larry Elkins... Indeed only one person on the awarded
> the
> OCM would I have placed in any top six list, and that's Paul Dorsey
> who is
> extremely knowlegeable concerning Oracle's development tools. There
> were
> some awardees I know nothing about. Despite this over-the-top
> rollout, the
> OCM under proper care could become a certification with real meaning,
> by
> that I mean more important than being an author or a presenter
>
>
> Ian MacGregor
> Stanford Linear Acclerator Center
> ian_at_SLAC.Stanford.edu
>
>
>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:17 AM
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>
>
> Rachel has really baiting me on this one, as she is well aware of my
> position on certifications, especially Oracle's. I watched some of
> this
> thread start and laughed.
>
> Vendor-sponsored certifications are no more valuable to the
> marketplace than
> the software they claim is 100% bug free. This is especially true
> when the
> vendor "pushes" the certification out to the market for next to
> nothing and
> then complains that the industry sees no value in it because SOOOOOO
> many
> people have it. Who's to blame for that. Why do you think Microsoft
> reduced the number of organizations that offer MCS* certifications?
> There
> are TOOOO MANY. Our company offered MCS* certifications, including a
> complete training program, as required and it brought NO VALUE.
>
> Look at companies like Novell, etc. Originally, Novel's
> certifications,
> CNA, CNE, & CNAE, were offered at a high cost and only the few and
> proud had
> obtained it. The original certification exams, CSP, CCP, etc. that
> were
> offered by third-party institutes have also lost their value as
> anyone with
> a book and time can pass them. It's too bad because certifications
> DID mean
> something in the 1980s and early 1990s.
>
> Oracle is crying in its own spoiled milk on this one. They caused
> the
> problem and now they are trying to fix it by ramming a new program
> down our
> throats. Think about it folks. You have to pay an additional $ 2000
> for
> what? The only reason people will take this ridiculous path is to
> achieve a
> higher level in the Oracle Partner Program. No More. No less.
>
> If you really think that having an OCM or OCP or other certification
> is
> going to make the difference in you getting a job, you have REAL
> problems.
> As far as Rachel substituting books and presentations for
> certifications, I
> agree with her. As a personal friend of hers ( I hope still after
> this long
> email), I also do not have my certification because my experience
> shows:
> 25+ presentations around the world, recognized industry expert, and
> 17+
> years doing the job.
>
> OK. I'm off the soap box. Get off the certification box now before
> it
> collapses and Oracle builds another one. You know: If Oracle would
> concentrate on building better quality software with the time spent
> on this
> stupid certification program, all of us would be better off!
>
> Thank You
>
> Stephen P. Karniotis
> Product Architect
> Compuware Corporation
> Direct: (248) 865-4350
> Mobile: (248) 408-2918
> Email: Stephen.Karniotis_at_Compuware.com
> Web: www.compuware.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 12:19 PM
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> Subject: Re: the ora certified masters cert, yet again
>
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