RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again

Whether Oracle is just making break even on education, their entire profit margin was one time over 50% and now it is in 23% in profit margin and 36% in operating margin, according to Yahoo. They still make a lot of money!

IBM now offer certification tetsing program. If you pass the online assessment 75% or better, you will get free electronic voucher that enable you to take the final exam for DB2 certification at NO CHARGE.

My $0.02 as looking at Financial report.

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Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:29 AM
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Putting on my cost accounting hat I'd like to say this. At $2,000 a pop and probably with a small group of people attending these classes, Oracle would be lucky to break even. The costs of developing, hardware and staff to proctor these exams are very high. A lot of people would have to take this test for Oracle to break even. A thousand test takers in a year would only generate $2,000,000 in sales which wouldn't even show up on their financial statements.

My $0.02 as a former cost accountant,

Ken Janusz, CPIM

• Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 2:08 AM

> They aren't - unless it exceeds a non-trivial percentage (6%? 7%? more? I
> can't remember now...) of their income and is "required" (?).
>
> This new requirement for OCP is just another in a long line of
> propaganda/baloney from Oracle in its never-ending attempts to suck up
every
> buck it possibly can. [Oracle likes $$$$$. HR likes mindless checklist
> items. It is a match made in heaven.] I thought that the "need
practically
> any two ILT classes, no matter how irrelevant" 9i OCM was going to be the
> limit of extending the the greedy grab for OCP bucks - for 9i at least.
> This isn't about certification anymore (as if it ever was), its about
> revenue.
>
> Since this "new requirement" (for the moment at least) doesn't apply to
> upgrade from an 8i certification, does anyone know if there is (or soon
will
> be) a new constraint/surprise/ambush limiting that to 8i OCP obtained
prior
> to, oh say, June 15, 2002? September 2002?
>
> Don Granaman
> [OraSaurus - with more disdain than ever for the evil vampire Larry's OCP
> DBA tax]
>
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> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:23 AM
>
>
> > I thought employees were not allowed to write things off as business
> > expenses...
> >
> > Confusedly yours,
> > Patrice Boivin
> > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again
> >
> > Are you trying to promote it?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > I am seriously considering pursuing one, since it can
> > be sold to hiring managers as a sign of professional
> > competence.
> >
> > Look at it from a cost/benefit ratio standpoint. Will
> > someone with this cerifification make $2000 more over
> > her professional life than she would without?
> >
> > So it takes a round trip ticket and three days of
> > vacation. Get the company to pay for it or write it
> > off as a business expense.
> >
> > Good investment, easy money, instant credibility to
> > many hiring managers.
> >
> > jack silvey
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 19 Jun 2002 at 4:38, Ron Rogers wrote:
> > >
> > > Date sent: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:38:18 -0800
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > > ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > >
> > > > It seems that our list has made mention in this
> > > report from
> > > > Searchdatabase.com. And Oracle is trying to
> > > justify the $2000 expence.
> > > > If I read this correct the $2000 is for 9i OCP.
> > > > =======
> > > > LEAD STORY
> > > >
> > > > ORACLE FUELS CERTIFICATION CONTROVERSY |
> > > SearchDatabase
> > > > Oracle has a new requirement for its potential
> > > certified
> > > > professionals, and the price tag is about $2,000.
> > > Many DBAs aren't
> > > > happy about the new policy but Oracle says the
> > > class makes their
> > > > certification more valuable than ever. Read the
> > > details of the new
> > > > mandate, and what DBAs and industry experts have
> > > to say about it.
> > > >
> > > > For the full details, click:
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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