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Hey, how do you give that truncate only privilege????
-----Original Message-----
Peterson
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:54 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
this is exactly my point.
It would have been better to give your developer "truncate" only privileges, and that too only on a few tables... but NEVER the Oracle schema owner password! NEVER. But, you too gave it away! you too Brutus! Even though you are quite averse to doing so.
Think about it, this happens everyday. Whether you like it or not, you have MASTER, TEST, PRODUCTION, DEVELOPMENT, STAGING... instances, and your schema passwords are floating around, and you have no control. And, you promise that you will never give the schema password out ever again, but you know you will... you will be forced to... your director will make you... and if you fight it any win, your developer productivity will be seriously compromised.
You need to have a means of giving the schema access without giving away the full house. And the solution is NOT via a read-only user. A read-only user is useless. You cannot do any serious work in a read only user. Been there done that. Giving Oracle privileges, to users, as a case-by-case request, is IMPOSSIBLE for you to manage, UNREASONABLE and NOT FEASIBLE. Anyway, NEVER give the ORACLE PASSWORD away. Only encrypted access. And, let Dom Phoc work right in the owner schema. There will be no problem, if you can GUARANTEE limited access, full audits on everything Dom does via this access, including select statements. Dom Phoc will not be viewing the Salaries, and Credit Card numbers now... not if its being audited.
At the expense of sounding like a sales person, let me
point this out again for the benefit of the group:
And, you certainly need to look at it:
http://www.iraje.com/docs/ActiveSecureDesigner.htm
I will find forward you some more info.
Keith
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 03:48:18 -0800
To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L"
<ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
Reply-to: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego,
California
Well , just to keep things jumping.
Last week I deviated from our rule and gave a
responsible user
that needed truncate on tables the password for the
owner of the
schema.
Guess what? Today he comes to me to recreate 2 tables that he dropped.
Go figure.
Yechiel Adar
Mehish
> Yechiel,
> Yes, I have been there, done that, over and over...
> But then, there is a "Toyota Corolla" solution and
> maybe a "Ferrari Testarosa" solution.
>
> If we can control "Dom Phoc" without tieing his
hands
> behind the back, wouldn't that would be the best:
> white paper:
> http://www.iraje.com/docs/ActiveSecureDesigner.htm
>
>
> Keith
>
>
> Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:48:38 -0800
> To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L"
> <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Reply-to: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego,
> California
>
>
>
> Well Keith
>
> Our solution to the <Doom Phoc (and their siblings)>
> is:
>
> Do not grant they rights to do any DDL either in
test
> nor in prod.
>
> The dab stuff does all the DDL work.
> Sure it is an added chore, but after tracking down,
a
> few times, tables
> that
> were dropped
> inadvertently by users (their tool did it by itself)
> we now use the
> following policy:
>
> Every application has two user id's:
> Owner, with password known only to the DBA group.
> User with rights for select, insert, update, delete
> ONLY.
>
> It works.
>
> Yechiel Adar
> Mehish
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 7:54 PM
>
>
> > Lisa,
> > There is only so much you can control via a model,
> > since it remains a process away from the DB, and
> > cannot be enforced via privileges, etc. So, we
are
> > always in the hands of Dom Phoc (and their
> siblings),
> > who can do "stuff" even in the production database
> > with SQLPLus/TOAD/... Under this schenario, do
you
> > sleep well at night?
> >
> > So, we said lets work with our Dom Phoc's. On
> > production databases, we will STRIP them off of
the
> > Oracle database passwords. No password, no
change.
> > ENFORCED! Now, I can sleep well at night.
> >
> > How? Not via models. Via a solution involving the
> > following, and it seems to be working for us well:
> >
ActiveDesigner/ActiveChangeManager/ActiveCompare/A+
> > White Paper:
> > http://www.iraje.com/docs/ActiveSecureDesigner.htm
> >
> > Take charge of the "Dom Phocs" in your org!
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: "'ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com'"
<ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>,
> > "'keithpson_at_yahoo.com'" <keithpson_at_yahoo.com>
> > Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 16:06:00 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, for one thing, if your developer, Dom Phoc,
> > starts changing crap
> > in
> > your database (as has happened to me in the past)
a
> > compare to the dev
> > model
> > would be great because my development changes
would
> be
> > in the model,
> > not in
> > the test or production databases. In that
specific
> > case I had to TRUST
> > him
> > (what? trust him after what he just did?) to
change
> > everything back,
> > or
> > restore from a backup, which would have been very
> time
> > consuming.
> >
> > I was one large ball of raging hormones that day
and
> I
> > took it all out
> > on
> > him. We don't work on the same projects anymore.
> >
> > Lisa Koivu
> > Oracle Database Administrator
> > Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
> > 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
> > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Keith Peterson [SMTP:keithpson_at_yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 5:50 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Subject: RE: ERD generation tool - Active
> > Comparisons
> > >
> > > Am I speaking to the wind ....
> > >
> > > For Compares, why would you compare the MODEL
with
> > the
> > > DATABASE...like going from US to London via
> Tokyo...
> > > ... and you get to pay more, like... you pay not
> for
> > > distance, but for "time in the air"... If a tool
> > takes
> > > longer to do something, makes more mistakes, is
> > bumpy
> > > and complex... you get to pay more.
> > >
> > > For compares, someone tell me what beats
> > > ActiveCompare:
> > > http://www.iraje.com/compare-diff.htm
> > >
> > > http://www.iraje.com/ActiveCompare_viewlet.html
> > >
> > >
> > > ...and I will switch my tool.
> > >
> > > Keith
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