RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)...

Not even that. I was interested what are possible parameters of the deal, what is negotiated with the publisher, what can be reasonable expectations etc. Something like if your book is sold 10000 copies you can reasonable try to get x% of sales price etc. I was not interested in any specific details of any specific deals. It is the same thing as to ask what is the hourly rate for Oracle DBA. Answer - it depends but usually it is not a problem knowing location, person experience and knowledge and type of the project to tell the rate with maybe 20% precision.

Alex Hillman

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Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:56 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

But you had no problem giving out your father's self-publishing finances. <ducking> :-)

I think all the original poster was asking was ballpark figures. ie; should a prospective author of an Oracle book expect to make around $1,000, around $10,000, around $100,000, etc. No personal finances involved. Your mileage may vary, etc.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:carmichr_at_hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:44 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
>
>
> sure you asked -- you wanted details on the rates etc... if I
> supply those,
> then I am making public my finances... which are no one's
> business but mine,
> the IRS and my accountant
>
> and since I am an author, yes you are asking me, if not directly then
> certainly indirectly.
>
>
> >From: "Hillman, Alex" <Alex.Hillman_at_usmint.treas.gov>
> >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
> >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 13:27:57 -0800
> >
> >I did not ask about your finances ( standard incredibly rude
> - LOL). I did
> >not ask you personally. There is no your name in my post.
> But if you decide
> >to answer why it is the same it depends? I know very well
> that it depends.
> >And by the way - it is not a big deal to get detailed info
> about somebody
> >finances if this person did not take specific measures to make it
> >difficult.
> >If you keep your money in US banks, your investments in US
> brokerage, have
> >insurance policies in US - usually to my knowledge it will
> cost only couple
> >of hundred dollars to find all this info.
> >So please relax and be happy.
> >
> >Sexist and incredibly rood Alex Hillman
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 4:56 PM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >every book deal is different -- based on the publisher's
> belief in the
> >marketability of the author, the number of pages in the
> book, the selling
> >price of the book, the number of authors and how well they negotiate.
> >
> >It's sort of like the request for the definitive answer on
> how to set your
> >init.ora parameters -- "it depends"
> >
> >you negotiate a royalty rate. Someone who is a known author
> can usually get
> >a higher rate. you negotiate on the "break points" - the
> number of books
> >that have to be sold before the royalty rate changes
> (upwards usually)
> >
> >you get a different amount based on where the book is sold:
> a bookstore
> >for
> >
> >full price, an online retailer who discounts it, a book
> club, domestic
> >sales
> >
> >vs foreign sales.
> >
> >Then you have to negotiate with your co-authors on how to
> split this money
> >up.
> >
> >Reading a royalty statement is an art.
> >
> >sorry, since I am not an elected official, and I am not
> asking you for a
> >loan, my personal finances are none of your business.
> >
> >And I consider it incredibly rude of you to ask.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Hillman, Alex" <Alex.Hillman_at_usmint.treas.gov>
> > >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> > >Subject: RE: Re[2]: Serious Question (believe it or not)...
> > >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 11:41:30 -0800
> > >
> > >Somehow this question and answers reminds me when I asked
> several years
> >ago
> > >one guy how much his house is worth. He became red and
> answered something
> > >like roughly don't remember. I told him that his purchase
> is a public
> > >record
> > >and any real estate agent ( and I have licence but don't
> use it) can get
> > >this info in a matter of minutes. The same story here -
> somehow everybody
> > >telling you how minisqule amount they got from writing a
> book, however
> > >nobody will tell you what are usual deal parameters, what
> percentages you
> > >get from sales, how it depends on the sales volume etc.
> You should go
> > >directly to the publisher and find this out. When I would
> like to ask
> > >somebody what his or her ( no sexism :-)) rate is I ask
> usually what is
> >the
> > >range this position is paying and usually people do not
> have problem to
> > >answer such question. Again, it is much better in my
> opinion to do self
> > >publishing.
> > >
> > >Alex Hillman
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 2:32 PM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >Jonathan,
> > >
> > >Everyone has there own reasons for wanting to write a
> book. For me, the
> > >reasons are:
> > >
> > >1. Credibility with peers / clients
> > >2. Sense of accomplishment
> > >3. Enjoy sharing information with people
> > >4. Some extra cash
> > >
> > >I would certainly say that the first 3 are TRUELY the
> reason that I would
> > >consider such a project, but the extra cash is always a plus!! I
> >certainly
> > >am not interested in getting into anyone's personal
> finances...but could
> > >you
> > >give us some indication / range of what an author could
> expect to receive
> > >from a book deal? I'm sure it varies depending upon the topic and
> > >salesability...but what's a good range? How are book
> deals typically
> > >structured?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Ed Haskins
> > >Oracle DBA
> > >Verizon Wireless
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:26 PM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > >Wednesday, June 06, 2001, 4:53:21 PM, Christopher Spence wrote:
> > >CS> I hope your not doing it to get rich :)
> > >
> > >Chris brings up a good point. It's *extremely* difficult to
> > >predict book sales in advance. Editors get surprised all the
> > >time. Books we think will sell well, don't. And sometimes
> > >it's the other way around. It's best to go in with low
> > >expectations, and hopefully you'll come out pleasantly
> > >surprised.
> > >
> > >Best regards,
> > >
> > >Jonathan Gennick
> > >mailto:jonathan_at_gennick.com * 906.387.1698
> > >http://Gennick.com * http://MichiganWaterfalls.com *
> >http://MetalDrums.org
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