Re: OT NT2K vs Unix.

From: Don Jerman <djerman_at_dot.state.nc.us>
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:16:21 -0800
Message-ID: <F001.002B5710.20010215090116@fatcity.com>

See www.lokigames.com

Try Heavy Gear II and Quake III...they run well on my box.

Kevin Kostyszyn wrote:

> What about Mechwarrior or Quake II, can I run that on Unix and will it run
> smoothly? This is a fun debate, but I do agree there will never be a
> winner.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> dgoulet_at_vicr.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:45 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
> I believe I've seen a shareware version of that out on the web somewhere for
> various flavors of Unix with X-windows.
>
> ____________________Reply Separator____________________
> Author: "Kevin Kostyszyn" <kevin_at_dulcian.com>
> Date: 2/1/2001 1:18 PM
>
> Oh, and not only that, I like the GUI a lot more than I like command based
> programming...unless.....can you play solitaire on Unix:)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: root_at_fatcity.com [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Welch
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:28 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: OT NT2K vs Unix.
>
> From the URL:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professional/solutions/overview/r
> eliable/default.asp
>
> PCs Stay Up and Running
> Memory conflicts and missing or altered system files caused many of the
> system crashes prior to Windows 2000. To put an end to these problems, we
> changed Windows 2000 memory management to reduce the chance that software
> applications will interfere with one another.
>
> Applications runing in a seprate memory area...HMMMMMM Unix did that 15
> years ago.
>
> Fewer Reboots
> Performing routine maintenance on your system requires significantly fewer
> reboots, therefore less downtime, with Windows 2000. In addition, with its
> support for Plug and Play, Windows 2000 automatically recognizes and adapts
> to hardware changes. This means users can easily add hardware devices such
> as scanners, DVD players, and speakers without rebooting, and with less
> potential for user error.
>
> Reboots are also reduced-and reliability increased-through the Microsoft
> hardware device driver certification program. This program helps ensure that
> hardware drivers are compatible with Windows 2000, and do not require a
> reboot after installation. Certified drivers are tested and digitally signed
> by Microsoft. If Windows 2000 detects a driver that Microsoft has not
> digitally signed, it warns users about the risk before they install it on
> their system
>
> Not having to reboot after installing an application....Unix from it's
> beginings.
>
> How Much More Reliable Is Windows 2000 Professional?
> Third-party studies that assess reliability from three different
> perspectives-lab-based testing, customer-site measurement, and user
> perceptions-conclude that Windows 2000 Professional is the most reliable
> desktop operating system.
>
> Highest Reliability in Production Environments
> NSTL collected uptime data in the real-world environment of several
> customer sites and concluded that the average system uptime between failures
> of Windows 2000 Professional is 13 times more than that of Windows 98 and
> three times more than that of Windows NT Workstation 4.0.
>
> Notice no comparison to Unix. It's like people that hangout with socially
> unacceptable people to make themselves look better (Hey! Wait a minute! Is
> that why alot of people want to hang out with me? ). I guess you're right
> they aren't the same. Unix posts much higher numbers.
>
> Sorry, it's sarcastic Thursdsay here. I love the debate about Windows and
> Unix. ;o)
>
> Kevin Kostyszyn <kevin_at_dulcian.com> wrote:
>
> I would disagree with that, how is Windows becoming like Unix?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: root_at_fatcity.com [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
> Welch
> Sennt: Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:01 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: Re: OT NT2K vs Unix.
>
> The same prediction was made at least 5 years ago. At the rate
> Microsoft is going, Windows will be a direct form of Unix. It becomes more
> like it with every release.
>
> -Rocky
>
> "Mohan, Ross" <MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com> wrote:
>
> Yea, but......
>
> Win2K Datacenter will just decimate Unix. I predict that, in
> 5 years, there will be two or three Unix vendors, fighting over
> the 45% of the market that DataCenter hasn't eaten.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Orr [mailto:sorr_at_arzoo.com]]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:01 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE: OT_RE:_Ref._:_Re:_asyn_i/o_on_sun_
>
> Close. It's Dave Cutler. There's too much old DOS/Windows backward
> compatibility for WinNT/2000 to achieve stability like VMS despite
> Cutler's
> leadership.
>
> I knew VMS and you, Mr. NT, are no VMS!
>
> With apologies to Senator Bentsen,
> Steve Orr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> stephane
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 9:22 AM&<
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
> NT is based on VMS (talk about a real OS) and if my
> memory is good the guy's name is Cutter.
>
> Do I win a toaster ? a microwave oven ? a palm-pilot ?
>
> --- "Mohan, Ross" <MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com> a ecrit : >
> "...Standing, corrected, and sniggering....."
> > Odd picture, that......
> >
> >
> > Anyways, pop quiz:
> >
> > On what OS kernel technology is NT based?
> >
> > Who was the original designer and what was his/her
> > first OS?
> >
> >
>
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> <DIV> size=2>Oh,
> and not only that, I like the GUI a lot more than I like command based
> programming...unless.....can you play solitaire on
> Unix:)</DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE>
> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left> size=2>-----Original Message----- From: root_at_fatcity.com
> [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Welch Sent:
> Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of
> list
> ORACLE-L Subject: RE: OT NT2K vs Unix. </DIV>
> From the URL:
> <A
>
> href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professional/solutions/over
> vi
> ew/reliable/default.asp">http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professi
> onal
> /solutions/overview/reliable/default.asp</A>
> <H3>PCs Stay Up and Running</H3>
> Memory conflicts and missing or altered system files caused many of the
> system crashes prior to Windows 2000. To put an end to these problems, we
> changed Windows 2000 memory management to reduce the chance that software
> applications will interfere with one another. 
> Applications runing in a seprate memory area...HMMMMMM Unix did that 15
> years ago.
> <H3>Fewer Reboots</H3>
> Performing routine maintenance on your system requires significantly
> fewer
> reboots, therefore less downtime, with Windows 2000. In addition, with its
> support for Plug and Play, Windows 2000 automatically recognizes and
> adapts to
>
> hardware changes. This means users can easily add hardware devices such as
> scanners, DVD players, and speakers without rebooting, and with less
> potential
>
> for user error.
> Reboots are also reduced-and reliability increased-through the
> Microsoft
> hardware device driver certification program. This program helps ensure
> that
> hardware drivers are compatible with Windows 2000, and do not require a
> reboot
>
> after installation. Certified drivers are tested and digitally signed by
> Microsoft. If Windows 2000 detects a driver that Microsoft has not
> digitally
> signed, it warns users about the risk before they install it on their
> system<A
>
> href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professional/solutions/over
> vi
> ew/reliable/default.asp"></A>
> Not having to reboot after installing an application....Unix from it's
> beginings.
> <H3>How Much More Reliable Is Windows 2000 Professional?</H3>
> Third-party studies that assess reliability from three different
> perspectives-lab-based testing, customer-site measurement, and user
> perceptions-conclude that Windows 2000 Professional is the most
> reliable desktop operating system.
> <H3>Highest Reliability in Production Environments</H3>
> <A
>
> href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/guide/professional/reviews/nstl.a
> sp
> ">NSTL
> collected uptime data</A> in the real-world environment of several
> customer
> sites and concluded that the average system uptime between failures of
> Windows 2000 Professional is 13 times more than that of
> Windows 98 and three times more than that of
> Windows NT Workstation 4.0.
> Notice no comparison to Unix. It's like people that hangout with
> socially
> unacceptable people to make themselves look better (Hey! Wait a minute! Is
> that why alot of people want to hang out with me? ). I guess you're right
> they
>
> aren't the same. Unix posts much higher numbers.
> Sorry, it's sarcastic Thursdsay here. I love the debate about Windows
> and
> Unix. ;o)
>   Kevin Kostyszyn <kevin_at_dulcian.com> wrote:
> 
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> would disagree with that, how is Windows becoming like
> Unix?</DIV> 
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> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left> size=2>-----Original Message----- From: root_at_fatcity.com
> [mailto:root_at_fatcity.com]On Behalf Of Rocky
> Welch Sennt:
> Thursday, February 01, 2001 2:01 PM To: Multiple recipients
> of
> list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: OT NT2K vs
> Unix. </DIV> 
> The same prediction was made at least 5 years ago. At the rate
> Microsoft is going, Windows will be a direct form of Unix. It becomes
> more
>
> like it with every release. 
> -Rocky 
>   "Mohan, Ross" <MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com>
> wrote:
> 
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> Yea, but...... 
> Win2K Datacenter will just decimate Unix. I predict
> that, in 5 years, there will be two or three
> Unix vendors, fighting over the 45% of the
> market that DataCenter hasn't eaten. 
> -----Original Message----- <FONT
> size=2>From:
>
> Steve Orr [<A
> href="mailto:sorr_at_arzoo.com">mailto:sorr_at_arzoo.com</A>]]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:01 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject: RE:
> OT_RE:_Réf._:_Re:_asyn_i/o_on_sun_
> 
> Close. It's Dave Cutler. There's too much old
> DOS/Windows backward compatibility for
> WinNT/2000 to achieve stability like VMS despite Cutler's
> leadership. 
> I knew VMS and you, Mr. NT, are no VMS!
> 
> With apologies to Senator Bentsen, <FONT
> size=2>Steve Orr 
> -----Original Message----- <FONT
> size=2>stephane Sent: Thursday, February 01,
> 2001 9:22 AM&< To: Multiple
> recipients of
>
> list ORACLE-L 
> NT is based on VMS (talk about a real OS) and if
> my memory is good the guy's name is
> Cutter. 
> Do I win a toaster ? a microwave oven ? a palm-pilot
> ? 
> --- "Mohan, Ross" <MohanR_at_STARS-SMI.com> a
> écrit : > "...Standing, 
> corrected,
> and sniggering....." > Odd picture,
> that...... > <FONT
> size=2>> > Anyways, pop quiz:
> > > On what OS kernel
> technology is NT based? >
> <FONT
> size=2>> Who was the original designer and what was
> his/her
> > first OS? >
> > 
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