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Rachel:
I miss a couple of my old jobs where I has other roles (developer/dba and network & admin/helpdesk/etc) where I got quite a few people trained real well :) I could count on a snack from several people a week. Although I guess that could be seen from their side as "We sure got this guy trained better than the last IT guy here!"
Stephen
>>> carmichr_at_hotmail.com 02/05 11:35 AM >>>
hm, I like that. I've been working on training people here on the proper
bribes for the DBA, but they are SLOOOOOWWWWWWW learners.
>From: Kimberly Smith <kimberly.smith_at_gmd.fujitsu.com>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: RE: Pondering Question of the Day-RESPECT
>Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 08:55:48 -0800
>
>I have taken the stance with one junior that he now
>has to prove me wrong in anything I tell him. Loser buys
>the beer. He owes me quite a bit right now:-)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:16 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>Kimberly,
>
>I could say the same thing.... of course, the other part is that I
>convinced
>
>the programmers here that I knew what I was doing by letting them have
>their
>
>way in development and watching it die... then converting it to what I
>wanted to do and watching it fly. Now they ask my opinion before they do
>anything.
>
>Rachel
>
>
> >From: Kimberly Smith <kimberly.smith_at_gmd.fujitsu.com>
> >Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> >Subject: RE: Pondering Question of the Day-RESPECT
> >Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 08:11:03 -0800
> >
> >I have had that same issue in the past but I don't have it here. I find
> >that
> >as long as you have your managements support and the development team
> >knows that then life will be much easier. I am very lucky here in that I
> >have good management and a very well trained senior development team
> >to work with. Not that there are never disagreements but comprise is the
> >name of the game. You just got to be picky on what you let them think
>you
> >are
> >compromising on:-) I always have more issues with junior/intermediate
> >developers.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 7:20 AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> >
> >"Hello Oracle Guru"
> >
> >Now why is it that I get more respect on the Internet than I do in my
> >workplace. ??
> >
> >How many of you have this problem? It's like an ongoing fight with
> >developers, they want carte blanche in the production database, and they
>do
> >whatever they want EVEN THOUGH I tell them NO, let's do something
>different
> >that won't affect production. I go to the CTO because this is like the
>3rd
> >time this has happened, and he sends out a
> >let's-be-sure-not-to-offend-anyone email. But the developer(s) will go
> >ahead and do what they want ANYWAY. I'm waiting for the first
>user-mistake
> >recovery to say STOP, I've had ENOUGH and this is how it's going to be,
>no
> >ifs, ands or buts.
> >
> >My last job may have been a sweatshop, but at least people respected my
> >authority. Here, it's a free for all no matter what I do. Even when I
> >say,
> >Dude, I own the database. If there's a problem, I have to fix it.
> >Therefore I say what happens in production and what doesn' t happen in
> >production.
> >
> >And yes, I am looking for another position. I can only take this
> >dba/developer/janitor role for so long.
> >
> >I'M SO GLAD IT'S FRIDAY... Bring on the Captain Morgan! It's noon
> >somewhere...
> >
> >Lisa Rutland Koivu
> >Oracle Database Administrator
> >Qode.com
> >4850 North State Road 7
> >Suite G104
> >Fort Lauderdale, FL 33319
> >
> >V: 954.484.3191, x174
> >F: 954.484.2933
> >C: 954.658.5849
> >http://www.qode.com <http://www.qode.com>
> >
> >"The information contained herein does not express the opinion or
>position
> >of Qode.com and cannot be attributed to or made binding upon Qode.com."
> >
>
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