RE: FreeOCP

gee, I thought we did that in the </insert shameless plug here> Oracle DBA 101 when we did the "Do you have what it takes?" questionnaire </end of shameless plug, forgive me folks!>

I will support certification when it uses a real world simulation like Jeff's -- but you have to add in to the mix that all the problems are on different databases, on different versions of Oracle and everyone thinks their problem should be your number one priority.

>From: Jeffery Stevenson <jeff_at_mpv.com>
>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
>Subject: RE: FreeOCP
>Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 12:13:53 -0800
>
> What we need is a DBA simulator...a virtual reality cubicle where you
>are
>constantly berated and harassed by AI managers and developers while you are
>trying to fix their problems via your virtual workstation. To add realism,
>we could make it a 3-5 day simulation where it has one of the virtual
>managers call you at 3 in the morning jumping up and down screaming, "The
>database is broke! The database is broke!" Of course, the programmer,
>system and network AIs will randomly spread the blame between the database
>and the others...and after determining that it isn't a database problem,
>they'll insist that you stay up and "watch the database and give them a
>full
>report"--just to be sure. It could have the dual purpose of better testing
>the extent of someone's capabilities and scaring away the meek all in one
>fell swoop. :)
>
>Jeffery Stevenson
>Chief Databeast Tamer
>Medical Present Value, Inc.
>Austin, TX
>
>-----Original Message-----
>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 1:39 PM
>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>In case one wants to be a 'GOOD' DBA...
>
>No FreeOCP.
>
>There should not be any training material for OCP other than test outline
>given by Oracle.
>
>That makes you work hard and study deeper.
>
>I even do not appreciate studying from so called STSware tests from the
>results what I have heard. I went through the sample test to get used
>to the real exam. But some say that if one goes through 100 Q set for each
>paper then its easy to pass. I am not doing OCP just to pass the exam.
>I want to learn the untouched parts of Oracle.
>
>I also have heard similar remarks about ILT material and there seems to be
>a lot of trading going on eBay. If reading (or cramming) that (100 or 200
>pages)
>is going to take you through exam then that's bad.
>
>Okay, I agree passing is a criteria but one must go through thousands of
>text thoroughly to understand Oracle better and then he or she might
>go thru these so called passing gizmos for final touch. But 'exam oriented
>passing material' would lead to PaperOCPs....
>
>I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THE IDEA OF FREEOCP BECAUSE IT WOULD HELP TO COME OUT
>MORE PAPEROCPs....
>
>PLEASE DONOT MAKE OCP A JOKE.
>
>ORACLE CORPORATION... PLEASE MAKE OCP BIT DIFFICULT AND MORE INTERACTIVE
>AND
>MORE NEAR TO REAL LIFE SCENARIOS. Do not let just people pass with your ILT
>material or STSware material.
>(I am yet to complete my OCP so I am not shouting this after completing
>OCP.)
>
>One last question....
>Is there any Oracle DBA Certification which is better than OCP?
>
>Thanks and Regards,
>
>-Rahul
>
>----- Original Message -----
>To: "'Cale, Rick T (Richard)'" <RICHARD.T.CALE_at_saic.com>;
><oracledba_at_lazydba.com>
>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 2:51 PM
>
>
> > And I would be all for that. But there is a lot of "Brian Dump" type
>sites
> > that promote go get the piece of paper so you can get a raise. These
>type
> > of things drastically effect the market and make it more difficult to
>find
> > good people and also the faith they have in currently certified people.
> > MCSE has become a joke, OCP is starting to fall the same path.
> >
> > This is not my opinion, it is the opinion of a lot of people out there
>and
>I
> > have heard it many time.
> >
> >
> > "Out of my mind...Back in five minutes."
> >
> > Christopher R. Spence
> > OCP Raptor MCSE MCP A+ CNA
> > Oracle Database Administrator
> > Fuel Spot
> >
> > 73 Princeton Road
> > Suite 207
> > North Chelmsford, MA 01863
> > (978)-322-5744
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cale, Rick T (Richard) [mailto:RICHARD.T.CALE_at_saic.com]
> > Sent: 12/4/2000 2:48 PM
> > To: Christopher Spence; oracledba_at_lazydba.com
> > Subject: RE: FreeOCP
> >
> > Your message implies that they are going after just the piece of paper.
> > Perhaps they have experience
> > and want the piece of paper also.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Christopher Spence [SMTP:cspence_at_FuelSpot.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 2:39 PM
> > > To: 'Post, Ethan'; oracledba_at_lazydba.com
> > > Subject: RE: FreeOCP
> > >
> > > I would prefer them to get some experience rather than just going for
>a
> > > piece of paper.
> > >
> > > "Out of my mind...Back in five minutes."
> > >
> > > Christopher R. Spence
> > > OCP Raptor MCSE MCP A+ CNA
> > > Oracle Database Administrator
> > > Fuel Spot
> > >
> > > 73 Princeton Road
> > > Suite 207
> > > North Chelmsford, MA 01863
> > > (978)-322-5744
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Post, Ethan [mailto:epost_at_kcc.com]
> > > Sent: 12/4/2000 2:24 PM
> > > To: oracledba_at_lazydba.com
> > > Subject: FreeOCP
> > >
> > > What if everyone on this list was willing to create 5-10 minutes of
> > > training
> > > for the Oracle OCP exams? Well that is what the FreeOCP project is
>all
> > > about, you can find out more by going to www.freeocp.com. If you
>think
> > > this
> > > is just another yahoo with an Oracle web site your wrong, I actually
>do
> > > things with my web sites, please see www.freetechnicaltraining.com and
> > > www.gnumetrics.com. If you think this is an utterly horrid idea I
>would
> > > like to know why, if you have an idea that would make it better I
>would
> > > also
> > > like to know why.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ethan Post
> > >
> >
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