RE: Sr. Oracle DBA Needed in Ft. Lauderdale, FL..

I am instantly suspicious of any 'DBA' prepared to work for what I'm prepared to pay.

Phil West

-----Original Message-----
From: LoughMiller, Gregory [mailto:Gregory_LoughMiller_at_bscc.bls.com] Sent: 18 August 2000 15:37
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Sr. Oracle DBA Needed in Ft. Lauderdale, FL..

I'm with Joe on this one..

All that I can say when asked for a reference is "start date-end date", and then "goodbye". And that's not really a reference..

If one has worked with recruiting firms to hire a consultant here and there-then the acct mgr from that firm can typically be a good reference...

Hiring and being hired is a presentation of social skills.. You ask the right questions as the interviewer. You try to tailor your discussion to focus on the needs of the company as an interviewee..

My .01 worth....

Greg

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 6:58 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

yea but references from companies are not composed of "yea he worked here" since companies dont want the liability of saying something bad.

joe

Srini.Chavali_at_Cummins.com wrote:
>
> Most lies - er, fudges !! - can easily be ferreted out simply by asking
the
> right questions during a technical interview and requesting references
from
> previous employers. Some candidates I have interviewed put "performed
> database tuning on various databases" - or words to that effect - in their
> resumes, but were unable to elaborate or provide specific details when
> pressed for more information, sure sign of garnishing !! Not providing
> references from previous employers is the quickest way to *not* get a DBA
> job around here !
> Srini Chavali
> Cummins Inc
>
> "Koivu, Lisa" <lkoivu_at_qode.com> on 08/17/2000 04:18:45 PM
>
> Please respond to ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
>
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com>
> cc: (bcc: Srini Chavali/Corp/Cummins)
>
> It's amazing how many people I've interviewed in the last month that claim
> 'expert' or 'advanced' skills and yet can't answer the simplest questions
> about PL/SQL. Wow. And the scary part is those people could still be
> hired
> as junior developers. WOW.... I could NEVER lie on my resume like that
> and
> oversell myself into a job. I'm not a good liar. I had no idea that
> resume fudging was so RAMPANT.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 4:18 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
> It's funny how people can claim so many years of experience that don't
> quite
> add up. We have a guy here who claims to have over 10 years of software
> development experience (involving Oracle) and flaunts it. He's barely past
> 30 and graduated from college with an accounting degree and worked as an
> accountant for 6 years after that. At most he probably has half that. You
> figure it out for yourself.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Kirti
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:01 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
> LOL...
> In my previous job our Damagement hired a guy as my boss (in later part of
> 1995) who claimed to have had worked in UNIX and Oracle environment for
> over
> 22 years...
> He was subsequently fired in Jan 1996.. I still wonder why ;-)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Dailey [SMTP:John.Dailey_at_concept-solutions.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:37 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: Sr. Oracle DBA Needed in Ft. Lauderdale, FL..
> >
> > I saw an ad last year for someone looking for a Peoplesoft developer
> with
> > 12 years experience... Peoplesoft has only existed since 1987, and only
> > had
> > about 20 employees or so. Were they looking for one of the original 20?
> > =) I would imagine those folks don't need to look at the want ads
> > much....
> >
> > John Dailey, MCSE/MCP+I
> > Consultant
> > Concept Solutions, LLC
> > Phone: 703-855-8832
> >
> > Concept Solutions, LLC
> > *Your Business Intelligence Partner*
> > www.concept-solutions.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 8:16 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Make it 90k GBP and it might be interesting.
> >
> > I would be interested in knowing who set 8 years as the minimum and what
> > relevance a BS has after [at least] 8 years competency as a DBA.
> >
> > Phil West
> > Unix Sys Admin and Oracle Financials DBA
> > +44 (0) 20 7623 5222 x5221
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: 16 August 2000 16:19
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > *Description:
> > Major Ft. Lauderdale, Florida company needs an Oracle DBA for their I.T.
> > team
> > to provide database support for Oracle systems .
> > This is a full time staff position.
> > Candidates local to the South Florida area are strongly preferred.
> >
> > *Requirements:
> >
> > * BS in Computer Science or related degree.
> > * 8+ yrs experience in Oracle administration. ( 8yrs is the minimum)
> > * Unix experience desired.
> > * U.S. citizenship or permanent residency.
> >
> > These positions offer:
> > * Stability
> > * The opportunity to become a key member of the team.
> > * Base Salary of up to 90K+-D.O.E.
> >
> > NO sub contracting positions available.
> >
> > Please do not send your resume if you are not in the United States.
> >
> > For immediate consideration, please email your resume as an attachment
> > to:
> > Bill Law,
> > Oracle Placement Specialist
> > OraStaff, Inc.
> > Email: orastaff_at_mindspring.com
> > Phone: 1-800-549-8502.
> > Please Use Job Code: Ft Lauder/DBA/D.Grant/one
> >
> > Note: This is only one of the many opportunities that we have available
> > across the U.S.
> > for candidates with Oracle skills. So if this one is not a match for
you,
> > we
> > invite you
> > to send us your resume- as we quite possibly have the opportunity that
> you
> > are seeking.
> >
> > We pay referral fees.
> > So please contact me if you know of anyone who would be
> > qualified/interested
> > in the
> > posiition described above- if it is not a match for you.
> > Thanks,
> > Bill Law
> >
> >
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