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From RFC 822
4.4.4. AUTOMATIC USE OF FROM / SENDER / REPLY-TO
For systems which automatically generate address lists for
replies to messages, the following recommendations are made
o If the "Reply-To" field exists, then the reply should
go to the addresses indicated in that field and not to
the address(es) indicated in the "From" field.
"Eric D. Pierce" <PierceED_at_csus.edu> wrote: On 29 Jun 2000, at 7:29, Chuck Hamilton wrote:
Date sent: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:29:36 -0800 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Send reply to: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com
> It's also a yahoo-ism, altavista-ism, lotus-notes-ism, and
> any-email-client-that-proprtly-interprets-headers-ism.
With all due respect, unless you can cite the specifics from an RFC (email standards document) proving that, I'm not sure this is true.
Do you really think that Pine and Pegasus Mail are non-standard in how they offer "reply to" options?
(I'm forwarding this to a list I'm on for email SysAdmns to ask for clarification.)
>The headers
> include a "reply-to" which is supposed to tell the client to
> override the "from" header on replies.
There is no "supposed to". Either you email program is capable of PROPERLY interpreting the Listguru headers, and offering you as a user a robust set of "reply" options, or it isn't, and in the latter case, you have to manually cut/paste.
As you can see below, there are "reply to:" (the list address), "from:" (your personal address), AS WELL AS "x-sender" (also your personal address) fields in the full headers.
Are you on a subscriber of any other other listserv-like services where you see things working differently?
Why Outlook/yahoo/altavista/etc are not capable of "seeing" the "from:" or "x-sender:" when you first click reply, I don't know, but I doubt it is because ListGuru is a non-standard implementation!
"raw" headers of your messsage, as revealed by "show full headers" in Pegasus Mail ( http://www.pmail.com ):
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>I find it annoying that I
> have to cut and paste email addresses to do a simple reply-all and
> include the original sender.
Yes, that is certainly understandable, but the question is, if Outlook/etc. are non-standard implementations, why should ListGuru have to be recoded to "reward" them for such? In that case, you ought to be complaining to MS/Yahoo/etc, not to the ListGuru people.
regards,
ep
>
> bill thater wrote:
> On Jun 28, Diane Whitehead scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:
>
>
> ->Is this a feature of this list, or a feature of Microsoft outlook, or
> ->something individuals have selected?
>
> i think it may be an outlookism, since i can choose to reply to everyone
> from PC-Pine and it "does the right thing."
....
-- Author: Eric D. Pierce INET: PierceED_at_csus.edu Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: ListGuru_at_fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-1649760492-962374706=:27630 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <P> From RFC 822</P> <P><BR> 4.4.4. AUTOMATIC USE OF FROM / SENDER / REPLY-TO<BR><BR> For systems which automatically generate address lists for<BR> replies to messages, the following recommendations are made<BR><BR> <STRONG>o If the "Reply-To" field exists, then the reply should<BR> go to the addresses indicated in that field and not to<BR> the address(es) indicated in the "From" field.<BR></P></STRONG> <P> <B><I>"Eric D. Pierce" <PierceED_at_csus.edu></I></B> wrote: <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">On 29 Jun 2000, at 7:29, Chuck Hamilton wrote:<BR><BR>Date sent: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:29:36 -0800<BR>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_FATCITY.COM><BR>Send reply to: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com<BR><BR>> It's also a yahoo-ism, altavista-ism, lotus-notes-ism, and<BR>> any-email-client-that-proprtly-interprets-headers-ism. <BR><BR>With all due respect, unless you can cite the specifics from an RFC <BR>(email standards document) proving that, I'm not sure this is true.<BR><BR>Do you really think that Pine and Pegasus Mail are non-standard in<BR>how they offer "reply to" options?<BR><BR>(I'm forwarding this to a list I'm on for email SysAdmns to ask for <BR>clarification.)<BR><BR><BR>>The headers<BR>> include a "reply-to" which is supposed to tell the client to<BR>> override the "from" header on replies. <BR><BR>There is no "supposed to". Either you email program is capab! le of <BR>PROPERLY interpreting the Listguru headers, and offering you as a <BR>user a robust set of "reply" options, or it isn't, and in the <BR>latter case, you have to manually cut/paste.<BR><BR>As you can see below, there are "reply to:" (the list address), <BR>"from:" (your personal address), AS WELL AS "x-sender" (also your<BR>personal address) fields in the full headers.<BR><BR>Are you on a subscriber of any other other listserv-like services<BR>where you see things working differently?<BR><BR>Why Outlook/yahoo/altavista/etc are not capable of "seeing" the<BR>"from:" or "x-sender:" when you first click reply, I don't know, <BR>but I doubt it is because ListGuru is a non-standard implementation!<BR><BR><BR>-----<BR><BR>"raw" headers of your messsage, as revealed by "show full headers" in<BR>Pegasus Mail ( http://www.pmail.com ):<BR><BR>---begin raw Listguru header---<BR>Received: from SpoolDir by DSS_486 (Mercury 1.46); 29 Jun 00 11:52:10 -0700<BR>Return-path: <ROOT@FATC! ITY.CTS.COM><BR>Received: from csus.edu (130.86.90.1) by sswdserver.sswd.csus.edu (Mercury 1.46) with ESMTP;<BR>29 Jun 00 11:52:02 -0700<BR>Received: from newsfeed.cts.com (newsfeed.cts.com [209.68.192.199])<BR>by csus.edu with ESMTP id LAA11448;<BR>Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:52:02 -0700 (PDT)<BR>Received: from fatcity.UUCP (uucp_at_localhost)<BR>by newsfeed.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id LAA13893;<BR>Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:51:57 -0700 (PDT)<BR>Received: by fatcity.com (04-May-2000/v1.0f-b69/bab) via UUCP id 00187A24; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:29:36 -0800<BR>Message-ID: <F001.00187A24.20000629072936_at_FATCITY.COM><BR>Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:29:36 -0800<BR>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <ORACLE-L_at_FATCITY.COM><BR>X-Comment: Oracle RDBMS Community Forum<BR>X-Sender: Chuck Hamilton <CHUCK_HAMILTON_at_YAHOO.COM><BR>Sender: root_at_fatcity.com<BR>Reply-To: ORACLE-L_at_fatcity.com<BR>Errors-To: ML-ERRORS_at_fatcity.com<BR>Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California<BR>X-ListServer:! v1.0f, build 69; ListGuru (c) 1996-2000 Bruce A. Bergman<BR>Precedence: bulk<BR>Mime-Version: 1.0<BR>X-PMFLAGS: 570950016 0 1 Y02470.CNM<BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<BR><BR>---end raw header-<BR><BR><BR>>I find it annoying that I<BR>> have to cut and paste email addresses to do a simple reply-all and<BR>> include the original sender. <BR><BR>Yes, that is certainly understandable, but the question is, if<BR>Outlook/etc. are non-standard implementations, why should ListGuru <BR>have to be recoded to "reward" them for such? In that case, you <BR>ought to be complaining to MS/Yahoo/etc, not to the ListGuru people.<BR><BR>regards,<BR>ep<BR><BR>> <BR>> bill thater <THATERW_at_TELERGY.NET>wrote: <BR>> On Jun 28, Diane Whitehead scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ->Is this a feature of this list, or a feature of Microsoft outlook, or<BR>> ->something individuals have selected?<BR>> <BR>> i think it may be ! an outlookism, since i can choose to reply to everyone<BR>> from PC-Pine and it "does the right thing."<BR><BR>....<BR><BR>-- <BR>Author: Eric D. Pierce<BR>INET: PierceED_at_csus.edu<BR><BR>Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051<BR>San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists<BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message<BR>to: ListGuru_at_fatcity.com (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in<BR>the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L<BR>(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may<BR>also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).</BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>Received on Fri Jun 30 2000 - 09:18:26 CDT
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