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Parallel Degree Limit correct num to use on Parallel Hints [message #689985] Wed, 11 September 2024 09:25 Go to next message
wtolentino
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Just trying to understand the Parallel Degree Limit settings. We have this query (DML) that is using parallel hints:


INSERT /*+ PARALLEL ods.ods_prognote_header_o,4 */ INTO ...     

And the current parallel degree limit on the database is
SQL> select substr(name,1,25) name, type, substr(value,1,20) value
  2   from v$parameter
  3   where name in ('cpu_count', 'parallel_threads_per_cpu', 'parallel_degree_policy', 'parallel_degree_limit');

NAME                            TYPE VALUE
------------------------- ---------- --------------------
cpu_count                          3 10
parallel_degree_policy             2 MANUAL
parallel_threads_per_cpu           3 1
parallel_degree_limit              2 CPU
/forum/fa/14813/0/


How do I know what correct number to use in the PARALLEL hints? Please advise.

Thank you,
Warren


Parallel Degree Limit correct num to use on Parallel Hints [message #689986 is a reply to message #689985] Wed, 11 September 2024 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wtolentino
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Registered: March 2005
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Just trying to understand the Parallel Degree Limit settings. We have this query (DML) that is using parallel hints:


INSERT /*+ PARALLEL ods.ods_prognote_header_o,4 */ INTO ...     

And the current parallel degree limit on the database is
SQL> select substr(name,1,25) name, type, substr(value,1,20) value
  2   from v$parameter
  3   where name in ('cpu_count', 'parallel_threads_per_cpu', 'parallel_degree_policy', 'parallel_degree_limit');

NAME                            TYPE VALUE
------------------------- ---------- --------------------
cpu_count                          3 10
parallel_degree_policy             2 MANUAL
parallel_threads_per_cpu           3 1
parallel_degree_limit              2 CPU
/forum/fa/14813/0/


How do I know what correct number to use in the PARALLEL hints? Please advise.

Thank you,
Warren


Re: Parallel Degree Limit correct num to use on Parallel Hints [message #689987 is a reply to message #689986] Wed, 11 September 2024 09:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Watson
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If I were you, I would set
parallel_degree_policy=adaptive
optimizer_ignore_parallel_hints=true
and let Uncle Oracle decide the appropriate degree of parallelism.
Re: Parallel Degree Limit correct num to use on Parallel Hints [message #689988 is a reply to message #689987] Wed, 11 September 2024 09:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wtolentino
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Thanks for the suggestion we will try that. But for now what is the correct number to use on the Parallel Hints? We are attempting to resolve some performance issues (reported to us by the Apps Dev) that we think might be related to the Parallel hints using incorrect number.
Re: Parallel Degree Limit correct num to use on Parallel Hints [message #689989 is a reply to message #689988] Wed, 11 September 2024 09:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Watson
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Take a step back. Before trying to tune parallelism, check whether you are even using it. Run explain plan on the statement, that will show you. Very often when developers who do not know what they are doing try to use parallel DML, they don't get it.
Re: Parallel Degree Limit correct num to use on Parallel Hints [message #689990 is a reply to message #689989] Wed, 11 September 2024 10:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wtolentino
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Here is the explain plan.

Plan hash value: 3732619652
 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Id  | Operation                            | Name                  | Rows  | Bytes |TempSpc| Cost (%CPU)| Time     |    TQ  |IN-OUT| PQ Distrib |
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|   0 | INSERT STATEMENT                     |                       |    30M|  1463M|       | 41790   (1)| 00:00:07 |        |      |            |
|   1 |  LOAD TABLE CONVENTIONAL             | ODS_PROGNOTE_HEADER_O |       |       |       |            |          |        |      |            |
|   2 |   PX COORDINATOR                     |                       |       |       |       |            |          |        |      |            |
|   3 |    PX SEND QC (RANDOM)               | :TQ10003              |    30M|  1463M|       | 41790   (1)| 00:00:07 |  Q1,03 | P->S | QC (RAND)  |
|*  4 |     HASH JOIN RIGHT ANTI BUFFERED    |                       |    30M|  1463M|   198M| 41790   (1)| 00:00:07 |  Q1,03 | PCWP |            |
|   5 |      PX RECEIVE                      |                       |   134M|  2438M|       |  7596   (2)| 00:00:02 |  Q1,03 | PCWP |            |
|   6 |       PX SEND HASH                   | :TQ10001              |   134M|  2438M|       |  7596   (2)| 00:00:02 |  Q1,01 | P->P | HASH       |
|   7 |        PX BLOCK ITERATOR             |                       |   134M|  2438M|       |  7596   (2)| 00:00:02 |  Q1,01 | PCWC |            |
|*  8 |         TABLE ACCESS STORAGE FULL    | ODS_PROGNOTE_HEADER_O |   134M|  2438M|       |  7596   (2)| 00:00:02 |  Q1,01 | PCWP |            |
|   9 |      PX RECEIVE                      |                       |   133M|  4078M|       | 19927   (2)| 00:00:04 |  Q1,03 | PCWP |            |
|  10 |       PX SEND HASH                   | :TQ10002              |   133M|  4078M|       | 19927   (2)| 00:00:04 |  Q1,02 | P->P | HASH       |
|* 11 |        HASH JOIN                     |                       |   133M|  4078M|       | 19927   (2)| 00:00:04 |  Q1,02 | PCWP |            |
|  12 |         PX RECEIVE                   |                       |  1699K|    25M|       |    42   (3)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,02 | PCWP |            |
|  13 |          PX SEND BROADCAST           | :TQ10000              |  1699K|    25M|       |    42   (3)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,00 | P->P | BROADCAST  |
|* 14 |           HASH JOIN                  |                       |  1699K|    25M|       |    42   (3)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,00 | PCWP |            |
|* 15 |            TABLE ACCESS STORAGE FULL | ODS_ORGANIZATIONS     |    39 |   234 |       |     2   (0)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,00 | PCWP |            |
|  16 |            PX BLOCK ITERATOR         |                       |  1699K|    16M|       |    39   (0)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,00 | PCWC |            |
|  17 |             TABLE ACCESS STORAGE FULL| ODS_CASE_KEYS         |  1699K|    16M|       |    39   (0)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,00 | PCWP |            |
|  18 |         PX BLOCK ITERATOR            |                       |   165M|  2531M|       | 19859   (1)| 00:00:04 |  Q1,02 | PCWC |            |
|* 19 |          TABLE ACCESS STORAGE FULL   | ODS_PROGNOTE_HEADER   |   165M|  2531M|       | 19859   (1)| 00:00:04 |  Q1,02 | PCWP |            |
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Predicate Information (identified by operation id):
---------------------------------------------------
 
   4 - access("C"."CD_ODS_ORG"="O"."ORGANIZATION_CD" AND "B"."ID_PROGNOTE"="ID_PROGNOTE")
   8 - storage("DT_ORG_END_DT"=TO_DATE(' 9999-12-31 00:00:00', 'syyyy-mm-dd hh24:mi:ss'))
       filter("DT_ORG_END_DT"=TO_DATE(' 9999-12-31 00:00:00', 'syyyy-mm-dd hh24:mi:ss'))
  11 - access("B"."ID_CASE"="A"."ID_CASE")
  14 - access("A"."CD_ODS_ORG"="O"."ORGANIZATION_CD")
  15 - storage("O"."STATUS_CD"='A')
       filter("O"."STATUS_CD"='A')
  19 - storage("B"."CD_ODS_REC_STATUS"<>'D')
       filter("B"."CD_ODS_REC_STATUS"<>'D')
 
Hint Report (identified by operation id / Query Block Name / Object Alias):
Total hints for statement: 3 (U - Unused (1), E - Syntax error (2))
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
   0 -  STATEMENT
         U -  PARALLEL / duplicate hint
 
   0 -  INS$1
         E -  ods
 
   0 -  SEL$2
         E -  ods
 
Note
-----
   - automatic DOP: Computed Degree of Parallelism is 20 because of degree limit
   - PDML is disabled in current session
Re: Parallel Degree Limit correct num to use on Parallel Hints [message #689991 is a reply to message #689990] Wed, 11 September 2024 10:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Watson
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You are not using parallel DML. You have have not enabled it in your session. If you haven't done it, your developers probably haven't either.
Re: Parallel Degree Limit correct num to use on Parallel Hints [message #689992 is a reply to message #689991] Wed, 11 September 2024 10:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wtolentino
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Thanks for helping to look into it. I tried to enable the parallel DML and still would not get the "PARALLEL IS ENABLED" on the explain plan. I might be doing it wrong. Either by alter session or thru the hints. Please advise thanks.

SQL> ALTER SESSION ENABLE PARALLEL DML;

Session altered.

SQL>
SQL> explain plan for
  2  INSERT /*+ PARALLEL ods.ods_prognote_header_o,4 */ INTO ...;

Explained.

SQL> select * from table(dbms_xplan.display);

PLAN_TABLE_OUTPUT
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Plan hash value: 3315159684

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Id  | Operation                             | Name                  | Rows  | Bytes |TempSpc| Cost (%CPU)| Time     |    TQ  |IN-OUT| PQ Distrib |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|   0 | INSERT STATEMENT                      |                       |    30M|  1463M|       | 41790   (1)| 00:00:07 |        |      |            |
|   1 |  PX COORDINATOR                       |                       |       |       |       |            |          |        |      |            |
|   2 |   PX SEND QC (RANDOM)                 | :TQ10003              |    30M|  1463M|       | 41790   (1)| 00:00:07 |  Q1,03 | P->S | QC (RAND)  |
|   3 |    LOAD AS SELECT (HYBRID TSM/HWMB)   | ODS_PROGNOTE_HEADER_O |       |       |       |            |          |  Q1,03 | PCWP |            |
|   4 |     OPTIMIZER STATISTICS GATHERING    |                       |    30M|  1463M|       | 41790   (1)| 00:00:07 |  Q1,03 | PCWP |            |
|*  5 |      HASH JOIN RIGHT ANTI             |                       |    30M|  1463M|   198M| 41790   (1)| 00:00:07 |  Q1,03 | PCWP |            |
|   6 |       PX RECEIVE                      |                       |   134M|  2438M|       |  7596   (2)| 00:00:02 |  Q1,03 | PCWP |            |
|   7 |        PX SEND HASH                   | :TQ10001              |   134M|  2438M|       |  7596   (2)| 00:00:02 |  Q1,01 | P->P | HASH       |
|   8 |         PX BLOCK ITERATOR             |                       |   134M|  2438M|       |  7596   (2)| 00:00:02 |  Q1,01 | PCWC |            |
|*  9 |          TABLE ACCESS STORAGE FULL    | ODS_PROGNOTE_HEADER_O |   134M|  2438M|       |  7596   (2)| 00:00:02 |  Q1,01 | PCWP |            |
|  10 |       PX RECEIVE                      |                       |   133M|  4078M|       | 19927   (2)| 00:00:04 |  Q1,03 | PCWP |            |
|  11 |        PX SEND HASH                   | :TQ10002              |   133M|  4078M|       | 19927   (2)| 00:00:04 |  Q1,02 | P->P | HASH       |
|* 12 |         HASH JOIN                     |                       |   133M|  4078M|       | 19927   (2)| 00:00:04 |  Q1,02 | PCWP |            |
|  13 |          PX RECEIVE                   |                       |  1699K|    25M|       |    42   (3)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,02 | PCWP |            |
|  14 |           PX SEND BROADCAST           | :TQ10000              |  1699K|    25M|       |    42   (3)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,00 | P->P | BROADCAST  |
|* 15 |            HASH JOIN                  |                       |  1699K|    25M|       |    42   (3)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,00 | PCWP |            |
|* 16 |             TABLE ACCESS STORAGE FULL | ODS_ORGANIZATIONS     |    39 |   234 |       |     2   (0)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,00 | PCWP |            |
|  17 |             PX BLOCK ITERATOR         |                       |  1699K|    16M|       |    39   (0)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,00 | PCWC |            |
|  18 |              TABLE ACCESS STORAGE FULL| ODS_CASE_KEYS         |  1699K|    16M|       |    39   (0)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,00 | PCWP |            |
|  19 |          PX BLOCK ITERATOR            |                       |   165M|  2531M|       | 19859   (1)| 00:00:04 |  Q1,02 | PCWC |            |
|* 20 |           TABLE ACCESS STORAGE FULL   | ODS_PROGNOTE_HEADER   |   165M|  2531M|       | 19859   (1)| 00:00:04 |  Q1,02 | PCWP |            |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Predicate Information (identified by operation id):
---------------------------------------------------

   5 - access("C"."CD_ODS_ORG"="O"."ORGANIZATION_CD" AND "B"."ID_PROGNOTE"="ID_PROGNOTE")
   9 - storage("DT_ORG_END_DT"=TO_DATE(' 9999-12-31 00:00:00', 'syyyy-mm-dd hh24:mi:ss'))
       filter("DT_ORG_END_DT"=TO_DATE(' 9999-12-31 00:00:00', 'syyyy-mm-dd hh24:mi:ss'))
  12 - access("B"."ID_CASE"="A"."ID_CASE")
  15 - access("A"."CD_ODS_ORG"="O"."ORGANIZATION_CD")
  16 - storage("O"."STATUS_CD"='A')
       filter("O"."STATUS_CD"='A')
  20 - storage("B"."CD_ODS_REC_STATUS"<>'D')
       filter("B"."CD_ODS_REC_STATUS"<>'D')

Hint Report (identified by operation id / Query Block Name / Object Alias):
Total hints for statement: 3 (U - Unused (1), E - Syntax error (2))
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

   0 -  STATEMENT
         U -  PARALLEL / duplicate hint

   0 -  INS$1
         E -  ods

   0 -  SEL$2
         E -  ods

Note
-----
   - automatic DOP: Computed Degree of Parallelism is 20 because of degree limit

57 rows selected.

SQL> --enable parallel dml in hints
SQL> explain plan for
  2  INSERT /*+ PARALLEL (ods.ods_prognote_header_o,4) enable_parallel_dml */ INTO ...;

Explained.

SQL> select * from table(dbms_xplan.display);

PLAN_TABLE_OUTPUT
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Plan hash value: 3315159684

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Id  | Operation                             | Name                  | Rows  | Bytes |TempSpc| Cost (%CPU)| Time     |    TQ  |IN-OUT| PQ Distrib |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|   0 | INSERT STATEMENT                      |                       |    30M|  1463M|       | 41790   (1)| 00:00:07 |        |      |            |
|   1 |  PX COORDINATOR                       |                       |       |       |       |            |          |        |      |            |
|   2 |   PX SEND QC (RANDOM)                 | :TQ10003              |    30M|  1463M|       | 41790   (1)| 00:00:07 |  Q1,03 | P->S | QC (RAND)  |
|   3 |    LOAD AS SELECT (HYBRID TSM/HWMB)   | ODS_PROGNOTE_HEADER_O |       |       |       |            |          |  Q1,03 | PCWP |            |
|   4 |     OPTIMIZER STATISTICS GATHERING    |                       |    30M|  1463M|       | 41790   (1)| 00:00:07 |  Q1,03 | PCWP |            |
|*  5 |      HASH JOIN RIGHT ANTI             |                       |    30M|  1463M|   198M| 41790   (1)| 00:00:07 |  Q1,03 | PCWP |            |
|   6 |       PX RECEIVE                      |                       |   134M|  2438M|       |  7596   (2)| 00:00:02 |  Q1,03 | PCWP |            |
|   7 |        PX SEND HASH                   | :TQ10001              |   134M|  2438M|       |  7596   (2)| 00:00:02 |  Q1,01 | P->P | HASH       |
|   8 |         PX BLOCK ITERATOR             |                       |   134M|  2438M|       |  7596   (2)| 00:00:02 |  Q1,01 | PCWC |            |
|*  9 |          TABLE ACCESS STORAGE FULL    | ODS_PROGNOTE_HEADER_O |   134M|  2438M|       |  7596   (2)| 00:00:02 |  Q1,01 | PCWP |            |
|  10 |       PX RECEIVE                      |                       |   133M|  4078M|       | 19927   (2)| 00:00:04 |  Q1,03 | PCWP |            |
|  11 |        PX SEND HASH                   | :TQ10002              |   133M|  4078M|       | 19927   (2)| 00:00:04 |  Q1,02 | P->P | HASH       |
|* 12 |         HASH JOIN                     |                       |   133M|  4078M|       | 19927   (2)| 00:00:04 |  Q1,02 | PCWP |            |
|  13 |          PX RECEIVE                   |                       |  1699K|    25M|       |    42   (3)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,02 | PCWP |            |
|  14 |           PX SEND BROADCAST           | :TQ10000              |  1699K|    25M|       |    42   (3)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,00 | P->P | BROADCAST  |
|* 15 |            HASH JOIN                  |                       |  1699K|    25M|       |    42   (3)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,00 | PCWP |            |
|* 16 |             TABLE ACCESS STORAGE FULL | ODS_ORGANIZATIONS     |    39 |   234 |       |     2   (0)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,00 | PCWP |            |
|  17 |             PX BLOCK ITERATOR         |                       |  1699K|    16M|       |    39   (0)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,00 | PCWC |            |
|  18 |              TABLE ACCESS STORAGE FULL| ODS_CASE_KEYS         |  1699K|    16M|       |    39   (0)| 00:00:01 |  Q1,00 | PCWP |            |
|  19 |          PX BLOCK ITERATOR            |                       |   165M|  2531M|       | 19859   (1)| 00:00:04 |  Q1,02 | PCWC |            |
|* 20 |           TABLE ACCESS STORAGE FULL   | ODS_PROGNOTE_HEADER   |   165M|  2531M|       | 19859   (1)| 00:00:04 |  Q1,02 | PCWP |            |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Predicate Information (identified by operation id):
---------------------------------------------------

   5 - access("C"."CD_ODS_ORG"="O"."ORGANIZATION_CD" AND "B"."ID_PROGNOTE"="ID_PROGNOTE")
   9 - storage("DT_ORG_END_DT"=TO_DATE(' 9999-12-31 00:00:00', 'syyyy-mm-dd hh24:mi:ss'))
       filter("DT_ORG_END_DT"=TO_DATE(' 9999-12-31 00:00:00', 'syyyy-mm-dd hh24:mi:ss'))
  12 - access("B"."ID_CASE"="A"."ID_CASE")
  15 - access("A"."CD_ODS_ORG"="O"."ORGANIZATION_CD")
  16 - storage("O"."STATUS_CD"='A')
       filter("O"."STATUS_CD"='A')
  20 - storage("B"."CD_ODS_REC_STATUS"<>'D')
       filter("B"."CD_ODS_REC_STATUS"<>'D')

Hint Report (identified by operation id / Query Block Name / Object Alias):
Total hints for statement: 2 (N - Unresolved (1), E - Syntax error (1))
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

   0 -  INS$1
         N -  PARALLEL (ods.ods_prognote_header_o,4)

   0 -  SEL$2
         E -  ods

Note
-----
   - automatic DOP: Computed Degree of Parallelism is 20 because of degree limit

54 rows selected.

SQL>

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Re: Parallel Degree Limit correct num to use on Parallel Hints [message #689993 is a reply to message #689992] Wed, 11 September 2024 11:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You are now getting parallel DML. If you look at the plan, you will see that the P->S conversion is now occurring after the load, not before. The load is PCWP.
Re: Parallel Degree Limit correct num to use on Parallel Hints [message #689994 is a reply to message #689993] Wed, 11 September 2024 12:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thanks, so the DML is getting the parallel DML. the lines on the explain plan


Hint Report (identified by operation id / Query Block Name / Object Alias):
Total hints for statement: 3 (U - Unused (1), E - Syntax error (2))
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

   0 -  STATEMENT
         U -  PARALLEL / duplicate hint

   0 -  INS$1
         E -  ods

   0 -  SEL$2
         E -  ods

does it indicates that there is something wrong with syntax for the hints? or it is an incorrect syntax?

INSERT /*+ PARALLEL ods.ods_prognote_header_o,4 */ INTO ...;

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Re: Parallel Degree Limit correct num to use on Parallel Hints [message #689995 is a reply to message #689994] Wed, 11 September 2024 13:10 Go to previous message
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Location: Global Village
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Warren, I think you may be taking a suboptimal approach here. You have a performance problem (which you have not defined) and considered the possibility that it was caused by inappropriate use of parallel DML. Fair enough, but I have shown you that you were not getting any parallel DML. So that cannot have been the problem. If I were responsible for this, I would begin by stating what the current performance is and what the required performance is. Then investigate what is happening: exec plans, number of rows, wait events, all that stuff.  
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